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Old 05-14-2013, 08:00 AM   #9051
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Fwiw, I'm planning on a 22f 20r setup. From everything I've gathered, that keeps natural feel relatively well while increasing stiffness. 22/22 is also popular for street cars and is advertised as the most neutral. Also, it was asked, and the guys running the sway sticky did say that every mm will make a noticeable difference.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:08 AM   #9052
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Generally speaking, for suspensions, just remember that stiffer equals less traction. So, if the front is pushing (losing traction before the rear), then you'll want to stiffen the rear, or soften the front.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:10 AM   #9053
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Cash money, what do you plan to do with the car? DD, weekend warrior, mix, etc?
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:42 AM   #9054
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Cash money, what do you plan to do with the car? DD, weekend warrior, mix, etc?
DD mixed with a little fun here and there, and highway cruising. I won't be tracking the car, but I like what Rex is saying maybe it might be better with the 22, 20 combo. I didn't know it would make that big of a difference by a mm. But I would just like it to hold a nice stiffness, without reducing traction or causing maybe too much oversteer and or understeer, depending on the size bar obviously. Thanks for the help guys, and like I said any other guys in here who plan on buying these while they wait can get some knowledge on this as well.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:05 AM   #9055
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Soooo... just checks my dealer's site and they had one more listed in the inventory of wrx's than yesterday. Immediately got really excited, only to find out it's just another wrx coming in :-( ;-(

Giant letdown.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:19 AM   #9056
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Cash money, personally I would go with 22/22. That will eliminate most of the body roll and give you more neutral steering (subies from the factory are designed with a little understeer) but it won't be so harsh as to make for an uncomfortable ride over harsh road surfaces.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:06 PM   #9057
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Cash money, personally I would go with 22/22. That will eliminate most of the body roll and give you more neutral steering (subies from the factory are designed with a little understeer) but it won't be so harsh as to make for an uncomfortable ride over harsh road surfaces.
What's the comparison between 22/20 and 22/22? If 22/22 is more neutral but reduce most body roll, what does the 22/20 do? I'm not sure if cusco makes 22/22 I really like that blue lol
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:26 PM   #9058
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22 front and 20 rear will still reduce most of the body roll, but you will retain the understeer. Prob close to the same amount as stock. Understeer is good for keeping you out of trouble (which is why subaru engineered it that way) if you feel that you can handle a more neutral suspension (arguable more fun) that is the route I would go. Just remember with neutral or even tighter in the rear your going to have more tendency for the back end to slide out at the limits, then the stock setup (or 22/20)
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22 front and 20 rear will still reduce most of the body roll, but you will retain the understeer. Prob close to the same amount as stock. Understeer is good for keeping you out of trouble (which is why subaru engineered it that way) if you feel that you can handle a more neutral suspension (arguable more fun) that is the route I would go. Just remember with neutral or even tighter in the rear your going to have more tendency for the back end to slide out at the limits, then the stock setup (or 22/20)
I think you meant 22/22 in the beginning.

So basically 22/22 = stock suspension except more tight and way less body roll. (Safest route).

22/20 (being tighter in the rear) now will cause the back end to slide a little more for the ones who like drifting or "sliding" whatever you wanna call it. Given the amount of throttle that's used around a turn.

I think 22/22 non adjustable will be the route I'm gonna go for. I don't plan to track the car at all, I would just like a nice upgraded suspension.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:15 PM   #9060
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No, he was correct. More neutral = less understeer than stock = easier to spin out.

As he said, it's engineered to understeer from the factory and has a larger sway in the front than the rear. The 22/20 will keep most of the understeer but stiffen it. The 22/22 will stiffen and make the car near neutral.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:32 PM   #9061
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No, he was correct. More neutral = less understeer than stock = easier to spin out.

As he said, it's engineered to understeer from the factory and has a larger sway in the front than the rear. The 22/20 will keep most of the understeer but stiffen it. The 22/22 will stiffen and make the car near neutral.
Ohh ok I misunderstood then. 22/20 is what I'm looking for. Cusco does have the rear at 20, but the front is at 23. So that being said if I understand correctly will cause slightly more understeer, which is better for control? Or is 23 up front too much. I like the 22/20 set up
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I think you will be very happy with the 22/22. Just remember, like I said when you push the car through the corners it will slide all 4 corners or the rear before the front slides out from under you. But it will make the car feel more connected to the road.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:37 PM   #9063
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If you want to retain the small amount of under steer than you want 22 front and 20 rear.
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If you aren't 100% familiar with understeer/oversteer I would look up some videos on YouTube to give you a good visual of what happens in those situations.
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If you aren't 100% familiar with understeer/oversteer I would look up some videos on YouTube to give you a good visual of what happens in those situations.
Yea I hear ya. I just don't want the car to slide out like when I'm taking and exit or entrance ramp. I got a couple crazy bend ones by me off the expressway that I like to hit hard if there's no traffic. But if the 22/22 will make it slide a little that's definitely not what I want lol.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:51 PM   #9066
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Turbogc8 how would you rate this setup then?

http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Eiba...djustable-22mm

Was gonna do soft in the front and stiff in the rear. They are hollow bars so they aren't really 25 and 22. Would that set up have slight understeer or be neutral?
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Yea I hear ya. I just don't want the car to slide out like when I'm taking and exit or entrance ramp. I got a couple crazy bend ones by me off the expressway that I like to hit hard if there's no traffic. But if the 22/22 will make it slide a little that's definitely not what I want lol.
If you're worried about sliding out on a ramp, you're either intentionally pushing it or need to take some lessons :-p

Maybe take some lessons and then just drift around the ramps :-D
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If you're worried about sliding out on a ramp, you're either intentionally pushing it or need to take some lessons :-p

Maybe take some lessons and then just drift around the ramps :-D
Lol I don't plan on hitting ramps at 120 mph, but when your at like a steady 65-70 it hugs hard, so by going with a smaller sway in the back, your saying that can potentially start to slide, where as 22/22 will not.
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Other way. Larger in the back will make it easier for the back to slide out. Smaller in the back will make it easier to push through a corner.

Here's the thing. Every setup is going to have a breaking point with different characteristics. Basing your setup off what you think might happen on a ramp isn't a great way to go. Not to mention there are a myriad of factors in play. One day it may not slide and the next day it might.

Tire/road temp, dust/rain, tread depth, weight, etc. Are all going to play a role.
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Punk, that setup will basically give you the same driving characteristics as the 22/20, but it will be even stiffer. It will still have understeer. 25 might be a bit excessive for the front, your going to give away a little more front end traction in hard driving, but it will give you good initial turn in. From what I have read on the gr chassis, anything over 24 and your going to start hearing/feeling more from the sway bars when driving over harsh road conditions. You might get away with that a little with it being adjustable. Also anything over 22mm and your going to prob want to upgrade the end links. They are what takes a beating when upgrading your bars.
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Other way. Larger in the back will make it easier for the back to slide out. Smaller in the back will make it easier to push through a corner.
Ok gotcha, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks Rex.
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Also anything over 22mm and your going to prob want to upgrade the end links. They are what takes a beating when upgrading your bars.
So is that cusco front at 23 ok?? Unless they make a 22 front.. Either way I always had plans to buy endlinks with the sway bar upgrade.
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Ok gotcha, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks Rex.
No problem. TBH, you're best bet is probably to call the guys at turn in concepts when you're ready to order. They can answer any final questions and put together a package for exactly what you want.
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No problem. TBH, you're best bet is probably to call the guys at turn in concepts when you're ready to order. They can answer any final questions and put together a package for exactly what you want.
What is turn in concepts? Like I said I've been ordering my stuff through rallysportdirect, but if turn in has it for cheaper then ill go that route. RSD.com offers free shipping over $200 which is a plus.
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Turninconcepts.com great rep for customer service.
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