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Old 04-19-2013, 12:07 PM   #26
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add a DW65 fuel pump and bigger injectors in there....

i just got tuned for a downpipe (cobb catted), intake (cobb with box) and EBCS (GS) with a DW65 and maxed out my injectors (103%)...

consult your tuner on which size injectors to get..

also, my tuner recommended to get an accessport because they added a ton of more tables they can mess with... i was previously tuned (stage 1) by same tuner via opensource (tactrix)

and wrap your downpipe and slap on a turbo blanket
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:42 PM   #27
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add a DW65 fuel pump and bigger injectors in there....

i just got tuned for a downpipe (cobb catted), intake (cobb with box) and EBCS (GS) with a DW65 and maxed out my injectors (103%)...

and wrap your downpipe and slap on a turbo blanket
Injectors, fuel pump and headers will do next year, along with a Matt military green vinyl wrap.

For now the turboback, up pipe+ewg, and solenoid will have to do
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:56 PM   #28
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I see where you're headed... I also fell in love with this car when I saw it a while back.

http://www.topscoob.com/2012/02/matt...scoob-027.html

Can you update this thread on where you get with Ted Kaczynski regarding getting kit up here to Canada? That would be revelatory if we can work that.

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Old 04-19-2013, 02:07 PM   #29
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I see where you're headed... I also fell in love with this car when I saw it a while back.

http://www.topscoob.com/2012/02/matt...scoob-027.html
Yup, that is what I'm going for eventually, I too fell in love with it. Probably won't do as much as they did, but that matte green theme will look awesome on a sti sedan

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Old 04-19-2013, 02:17 PM   #30
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Injectors, fuel pump and headers will do next year, along with a Matt military green vinyl wrap.

For now the turboback, up pipe+ewg, and solenoid will have to do
i really would try to do the fuel pump and injectors now... cause you're tuner is going to have to hold power back so you dont max out the injectors.. if i wouldve known prior to my tune, i wouldve done the injectors..

and with wrap i mean to wrap your downpipe with DEI titanium wrap or get it ceramic coated to help get rid of the heat soak on your TMIC.. plus, you get faster spool.. pair that with a turbo blanket to further help with heat soak (and faster spool)
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Some of us operate within the confines of a budget, sir.

That being said, injectors and a pump are, "so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking [some] up."
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:52 PM   #32
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Some of us operate within the confines of a budget, sir.

That being said, injectors and a pump are, "so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking [some] up."
That.

Well said Bueller.

I would love to do it all now, one step at a time. Although I will do the wrap on the downpipe. The turbo blanket I think I will save until I upgrade the turbo eventually.

Do u think the wrap on the downpipe and a thermal blanket on the downpipe would be redundant?
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:56 PM   #33
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I didn't see this mentioned in any previous posts, but go with the 38mm EWG if you're still on the stock turbo (which I'm assuming you are...). The EWG + EBCS will flutter, so maybe you want to throw a MBC into the mix and run the hybrid boost control setup like I am. FWIW, this is the order I did my "stage 2" build in:
Cobb SF Intake
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Grimmspeed 38mm UP w/ Tial EWG
Grimmspeed PnP header

On top of that, I also used loads of DEI Titanium exhaust wrap and ceramic coated all of my exhaust piping, then threw on a PtP Lava turbo blanket. I ran these on my stock injectors/pump for awhile and my IDCs were near 98%, but since then I have upgraded to a DW 65c fuel pump and ID 1000cc injectors to use e85. Those would kill your budget though...

With that being said, I would talk your options over with your tuner to see what he suggets. Not all tuners know how to do the hybrid setup I mentioned and some prefer certain products over others. If you have any questions about EWG setups, shoot me a PM
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:16 PM   #34
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In theory you can't really overdo it with heat retention in the exhaust system, but the gains are asymptotic so at some point you need to call it a day.

I'd wrap the DP and put a PTP turbo blanket under the aftermarket or trimmed OEM heat shield. That's more than enough. Some go as far as to install the SPT heat shield that mounts over-top the stock one. To me that's bulky and unnecessary, but to each their own.

The blanket is great if you want to try and install it without removing the whole exhaust/TMIC etc. but since you'll have the DP off, you're better off going with the wrap. It's cheaper and cleaner looking (I think). Note that both will tarnish the steel underneath, and considering the salt we get on the winter roads that means it'll sit on the steel longer than it would without. I just make sure to get a car wash more frequently in the winter...
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I am also in the process as user stated above.

As a DD i am just prepping for a "stock turbo" upgrade but that wont be for a while.

To get 300+ hp on a wrx tranny and motor i am happy with it. It is a huge money pit and you dont have to buy top of the line stuff but tou can get geeat deals on used items but make sure the seller has all the needed things for your items. I am doing the running around but it saves me money.

DO NOT CHEAP OUT ON A TUNE!

Thar is will cause your engine to blow. Set a busget for yourself and when you want to tune and what you need to install on your car cause labor costs is not cheap. Your car is worth 26k more or so you dont want to blow it up before paying off the car.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:06 PM   #36
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Just get the stuff sent to someone right across the border for free. Come on over, install the parts, profit.
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While this is the exhaust I will most likely go with, the only major downside that I can find, is their 1 year warranty
What is a warranty????
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I didn't see this mentioned in any previous posts, but go with the 38mm EWG if you're still on the stock turbo (which I'm assuming you are...). The EWG + EBCS will flutter, so maybe you want to throw a MBC into the mix and run the hybrid boost control setup like I am. FWIW, this is the order I did my "stage 2" build in:
Cobb SF Intake
Invidia catted DP
Invidia Q300 cbe
Grimmspeed EBCS
Process West TMIC
Grimmspeed MBC
Grimmspeed 38mm UP w/ Tial EWG
Grimmspeed PnP header

On top of that, I also used loads of DEI Titanium exhaust wrap and ceramic coated all of my exhaust piping, then threw on a PtP Lava turbo blanket. I ran these on my stock injectors/pump for awhile and my IDCs were near 98%, but since then I have upgraded to a DW 65c fuel pump and ID 1000cc injectors to use e85. Those would kill your budget though...

With that being said, I would talk your options over with your tuner to see what he suggets. Not all tuners know how to do the hybrid setup I mentioned and some prefer certain products over others. If you have any questions about EWG setups, shoot me a PM
Your stage 2 build is very similar to my own. Mind telling me what kind of power you made on pump gas??
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Just get the stuff sent to someone right across the border for free. Come on over, install the parts, profit.
The trip, gas, and then shipping my stock parts back over the border would basically make it all come out to the same, unless the prices on parts, installation and tune were just insane. That said I am still scouting.
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I didn't see this mentioned in any previous posts, but go with the 38mm EWG if you're still on the stock turbo (which I'm assuming you are...). The EWG + EBCS will flutter, so maybe you want to throw a MBC into the mix and run the hybrid boost control setup like I am. FWIW, this is the order I did my "stage 2" build in:
Cobb SF Intake
Invidia catted DP
Invidia Q300 cbe
Grimmspeed EBCS
Process West TMIC
Grimmspeed MBC
Grimmspeed 38mm UP w/ Tial EWG
Grimmspeed PnP header

On top of that, I also used loads of DEI Titanium exhaust wrap and ceramic coated all of my exhaust piping, then threw on a PtP Lava turbo blanket. I ran these on my stock injectors/pump for awhile and my IDCs were near 98%, but since then I have upgraded to a DW 65c fuel pump and ID 1000cc injectors to use e85. Those would kill your budget though...

With that being said, I would talk your options over with your tuner to see what he suggets. Not all tuners know how to do the hybrid setup I mentioned and some prefer certain products over others. If you have any questions about EWG setups, shoot me a PM
I am noticing that a fuel pump+injectors comes out to roughly the same price as an uppipe+ewg setup. Should I consider doing the fuel pump+injectors over the uppipe+ewg?
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I suspect Mr Wrex went for the pump+injectors only for his E85 swap. An engine running E85 demands a great deal more fuel than it would running pump fuel.

Here's how I see it:

If you do the UP/EWG with the rest of your mods (Turboback/ECBS etc.) you'll max your injector duty cycles easily, and you'll get a tonne of power over your currently stock situation. Next year you can put in the injectors and the pump, get a slight increase in power, and probably start looking at a new TMIC (or FMIC if that's your fancy).

If you do the injectors and pump this year, LaChute will have to limit your timing advance and boost targets because the VF48's internal wastegate won't be able to handle the increased flow you'd gain from the rest of the mods. A full-tit tune with no regard for the IWG's limits leads to overboosting (usually in higher gear pulls, in cold weather, and results in engine fuel cut and a CEL code; not very pleasant). BUT next year rolls around and you'll be primed for the UP/EWG and you'll get another appreciable increase in power, very noticeable to the butt dyno.

For me it's an easy decision: UP/EWG --> Injectors/Pump, not the other way around.

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I suspect Mr Wrex went for the pump+injectors only for his E85 swap. An engine running E85 demands a great deal more fuel than it would running pump fuel.

Here's how I see it:

If you do the UP/EWG with the rest of your mods (Turboback/ECBS etc.) you'll max your injector duty cycles easily, and you'll get a tonne of power over your currently stock situation. Next year you can put in the injectors and the pump, get a slight increase in power, and probably start looking at a new TMIC (or FMIC if that's your fancy).

If you do the injectors and pump this year, LaChute will have to limit your timing advance and boost targets because the VF48's internal wastegate won't be able to handle the increased flow you'd gain from the rest of the mods. A full-tit tune with no regard for the IWG's limits leads to overboosting (usually in higher gear pulls, in cold weather, and results in engine fuel cut and a CEL code; not very pleasant). BUT next year rolls around and you'll be primed for the UP/EWG and you'll get another appreciable increase in power, very noticeable to the butt dyno.

For me it's an easy decision: UP/EWG --> Injectors/Pump, not the other way around.

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Your argument seems valid, but I won't lie, I am new to this whole modding thing
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I am noticing that a fuel pump+injectors comes out to roughly the same price as an uppipe+ewg setup. Should I consider doing the fuel pump+injectors over the uppipe+ewg?
I started with a fuel pump as a safety measure, then got the injectors for e85. Do some datalogs and if your IDCs aren't too high, the pump/injectors won't be needed.
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Id like to hear someones response to inj vs ewg which is preferred.

But here is what i think. I honestly dont know what an up pipe does for you. Maybe just more flow.. the ewg is for better spool for the turbo and speess up faster and dumps below your car by the DP.

Injectors and pump gives you more room to enhance the flow of gas going into your engine. Both are great but the installation is not fairly cheap for the ewg and up pipe and you need a tune. Same goes for inj but fuel pump no. You can install that yourself.

Someone can give you a better input than i can but that is how i percieve it
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Id like to hear someones response to inj vs ewg which is preferred.

But here is what i think. I honestly dont know what an up pipe does for you. Maybe just more flow.. the ewg is for better spool for the turbo and speess up faster and dumps below your car by the DP.

Injectors and pump gives you more room to enhance the flow of gas going into your engine. Both are great but the installation is not fairly cheap for the ewg and up pipe and you need a tune. Same goes for inj but fuel pump no. You can install that yourself.

Someone can give you a better input than i can but that is how i percieve it
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Id like to hear someones response to inj vs ewg which is preferred.

But here is what i think. I honestly dont know what an up pipe does for you. Maybe just more flow.. the ewg is for better spool for the turbo and speess up faster and dumps below your car by the DP.

Injectors and pump gives you more room to enhance the flow of gas going into your engine. Both are great but the installation is not fairly cheap for the ewg and up pipe and you need a tune. Same goes for inj but fuel pump no. You can install that yourself.

Someone can give you a better input than i can but that is how i percieve it
EWG:
-better boost control
-eliminate boost creep
-sounds bonerific and scares old people to death
-the ONLY reason you'd replace your UP on a WRX/STI with an OEM catless UP
-can have custom fabrication to route dump tube into DP to quiet down loudness

Pump/Injectors:
-allow e85 (if pump/inj both support it)
-lowers IDCs unless you get a bigger turbo or go e85

Either route only takes a few hours each of labor if you know what you're doing. BOTH routes require tuning unless you run the EWG off spring pressure, but lets not get into that option...
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EWG:
-better boost control
-eliminate boost creep
-sounds bonerific and scares old people to death
-the ONLY reason you'd replace your UP on a WRX/STI with an OEM catless UP
-can have custom fabrication to route dump tube into DP to quiet down loudness
I gather you did the reroute to down pipe method?
If so, how do you find the sound?

It seems that up+ewg first seems to be the way to go.

I like the custom muffler on the ewg dumptube idea discussed in this thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2194878

Have yet to find a sound bite of a 2008+ STI with a ewg muffler to hear what it sounds like, but I will definitely be looking into having this sorta thing done.

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Oh right stupid me fergot that the up pipe and the ewg is both one whole piece. Oops and yes its expensive for both totalling $500 vs fuel pump which is $100 or so depending which one you get and inj are expensive ~400 for ID1000.

Have yet to see anyone w EWG problems yet.

Also not sure how it works w rotated set up if you decide not to go stock location w tmic vs fmic rotated which is a totally different set up

Not to hijack also but i plan on ewg for a vf52 cause idk just because haha anyone think its a bad idea. Plan on keeping the turbo till who knows i want moar power but budget wise not till a year or so later (pay off car first)

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