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Old 07-29-2014, 01:10 PM   #51
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The SC and weather did make it an exciting race to watch. But I think this highlights the lack of options the teams have for strategy. With refuel and more durable tires teams used to modify thier strategy constantly. so you would have these different strategy runs to the end even without a SC.

Maybe im looking back with some rose colored lenses.
As I've already stated multiple times... the strategists seemed to be out to lunch this weekend.
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Old 07-29-2014, 02:51 PM   #52
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to be clear it is not what brings out the safety car, but the resulting reshuffle and advantage being wiped out that occurs b/c of the SC that I am commenting on.

I know it's practically impossible to do, but doing standing rally stage type starts would be "fair" but not exciting.

If there is a clear 1+s difference then the cars are released with the timing gap they had prior to the SC.

i.e leader is +11. He lines up at P1 and leaves. 11 sec later P2 leaves. P2 is 3 sec clear, P3 leaves.

etc etc...

I'd be curious to see how standing restarts on a wet / dry track will go.
that is ridiculous.
rosberg would have come around and ran into the back of a still-waiting-to-restart grid. it only works in rally because they aren't doing laps.part of racing is the safety car. sometimes you get ****ed, sometimes you do the ****ing.

bernie says they're not doing standing restarts next year now. i don't really take anything bernie says as fact though so...

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Old 07-29-2014, 03:34 PM   #53
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that is ridiculous.
rosberg would have come around and ran into the back of a still-waiting-to-restart grid. it only works in rally because they aren't doing laps.part of racing is the safety car. sometimes you get ****ed, sometimes you do the ****ing.

bernie says they're not doing standing restarts next year now. i don't really take anything bernie says as fact though so...

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Didnt think about that

why not Hamilton?



And yeah I agreed that the SC is part of racing, I was just being creative and thinking of ways to improve it. maybe the gap is halved or something to prevent them from running into the back of the grid. Maybe the back of the grid starts first to prevent that from happening?

So lapped cars set off in pairs, in 2-3 s increments?

Then we have the leaders?

I donno, F1 mental masturbation.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:19 PM   #54
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I'm ok with the current procedure but maybe they shouldn't allow pitting under a safety car. Yeah, it spices things up but it just feels artificial. Nico and Valtteri should have been on that podium.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:26 PM   #55
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According to Toto, the cars that finished 4-7-8 should have been 1-2-3. It is a little lame that your race is ruined based on where you are on track when someone else crashes, but that's the way it is.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:43 PM   #56
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Oh yeah, 3rd too. Was that Vettel?

Speaking of I can't believe he didn't make contact with that wall. Must have been millimeters from it.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:55 PM   #57
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Yes, he was one of the 4 cars passed the pit entry when the SC came out.

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All of a sudden, Marcus Ericsson's Caterham was in the wall - the rookie having lost control at the exit of Turn Three and speared into the barriers. The Safety Car was immediately deployed and suddenly there was a mad dash for the pitlane with Ricciardo, Magnussen and Massa all switching to Soft dry tyres, while Button pitted for Inters.

Out front, Rosberg, Bottas, Vettel and Alonso had all missed the opportunity to pit when the Safety Car was deployed and were forced to stop one lap later, meaning that Ricciardo inherited the lead, with Button second, Massa third and Rosberg now in fourth.
Alonso was the only one of the leading group to recover since he did a mega long final stint. Rosberg recovered to the extent he had a really fast car.

It looked like the rear hit but I don't actually think it did. There's a tire mark on the wall but if you watch the gif/video, it was already there.


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Old 07-29-2014, 05:19 PM   #58
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Yeah, and he said on the radio he didn't make any contact.
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pretty sure vettel hit but I cant tell from this gif. It looked evident on tv.

http://gfycat.com/TiredShockedAustraliankestrel

I understand that the SC sucks and it's the way it is. The entire point of the discussion is how to eliminate the disadvantages of one.

Like no pitting... that sucks as well what if you have a flat or damage? do you keep on limping around until we go green again? Other series do have this and penalize you for coming into the Pits if the window is closed.
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How about WEC's "slow zones" where they throw flags out and you have to hit pit road speed limiter... Oh wait, that wasn't such a good idea during the rain of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
I think it is what it is. Safety cars have been a part of racing for years. I think if you look at statistics, there are probably less safety cars in a F1 season then in a single Nascar race.
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How about WEC's "slow zones" where they throw flags out and you have to hit pit road speed limiter... Oh wait, that wasn't such a good idea during the rain of the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
I think it is what it is. Safety cars have been a part of racing for years. I think if you look at statistics, there are probably less safety cars in a F1 season then in a single Nascar race.
so you're just rehashing the same point over?
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The only thing that really can be done is to close the pits when releasing the S.C. Then open it when the field is together. This would however create it's own issues. Unsafe releases galore. Stacking cars in the box would be plentiful. Also painful, since F1 can't seem to stack cars similar to Lemans, even though they have no crew limits, etc.

I'm more agitated about the extended and wasteful S.C. periods we've had this year. Ten minutes or ten laps waiting for Charlie to make up his damn mind about what he wants to do to the field.

I would rather let the lead cars pass the back markers. That way they wont have to worry about the slow cars being unsure of being able to pass and just getting caught again sooner. Then we don't have to wait forever and a lap for the slowest cars in the grid to catch up to the the tail end. The fast cars just put the lap on the back marker.
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**** it. Instead of safety car, everyone pull Over and stop where you are. Wait to clean up mess then restart from where you are...

I'm kidding.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:51 AM   #64
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so you're just rehashing the same point over?
How do you figure? The only point is, there are typically very few safety cars in F1, so why after 1 race where there were a rare 2, should we change what happens?
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How do you figure? The only point is, there are typically very few safety cars in F1, so why after 1 race where there were a rare 2, should we change what happens?
This is the F1 media machine at work. How do you keep interest in the sport during a 3 week break? Talk about minutia, changing the rules, Flavio, silly season, etc...There is nothing wrong with the SC rules. The SC is there to keep the drivers (and track staff, etc) safe - nothing more.
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