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12-20-2008, 12:57 PM | #1 | |
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Ethanol turns out to be the worst type of renewable energy
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12-20-2008, 12:59 PM | #2 |
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E85 as a fuel is terrible for the common driver.
E85 as a race fuel is a good fuel for the enthusiast driver looking for a cheap "race fuel" |
12-20-2008, 09:04 PM | #3 |
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12-20-2008, 02:37 PM | #4 |
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ethanol might not be the best in that test, but i'm not about to run my car on nuclear power, or any sort of wave techonology (how the **** would that get in my car in the first place?). I still think ethanol is a great alternative fuel source.
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12-20-2008, 02:46 PM | #5 | |
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If you are an ethanol fan, you should be having high hopes for Algae-derived bio-fuels. Those look much more promising and thrive off of CO2 that a lot of power plants need to desperately mitegate. |
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12-22-2008, 03:07 PM | #6 | |
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Not sure since this is a vague article, but it looks like the study compares your regular E85-burning Impala or whatever to an electric car powered by your outlet (ultimately powered by waves or wind or whatnot). I don't think that it proves much beyond the blatantly obvious. |
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12-23-2008, 06:43 AM | #7 |
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E85 is a scam? Really?
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12-21-2008, 10:57 AM | #9 |
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The only thing driving ethanol... is the Iowa corn lobby. Whether you're a total greenie or a clear-cutter, hopefully the one thing we can all agree on is that the further we keep politics from "environmentalism" the better...
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12-21-2008, 11:05 AM | #10 |
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Agreed, also the same bunch who continues to lobby for farm subsidies.
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12-21-2008, 11:31 AM | #13 |
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The problem is that ethanol has many upsides, just not when you insist upon making it with corn. A replacement liquid fuel for gasoline would be the easiest upgrade path from where we are now. Subsidizing corn-based ethanol is just a good way to kill the technology without an honest effort at developing it.
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12-22-2008, 10:51 AM | #14 | |
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BTW - I've been running e85 almost exclusively for over 3 years now in my EVO and love it. It is $1.19 a gallon race gas. |
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12-22-2008, 11:22 AM | #15 | |
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The other major problem with corn is that you're taking a food crop for animals and taking it away from that market to fuel your car. So, corn-based ethanol forces you to choose between eating or driving, as it drives up the cost of all foods not just corn. Any crop will do so to a certain extent, but none directly as corn. (Corn syrup is in pretty much anything you buy that's not in the produce section - it's pretty scary some of the things it's in actually so I try to avoid it as much as possible.) The best option would be to find some sort of crop that doesn't normally grow where food crops can be grown or cattle can be grazed. Cactus or some sort of grass perhaps... |
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12-23-2008, 07:55 AM | #16 | |
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E85 was never a particularly good idea. It has some good benefits, but not for everyday cars. As we've now discovered. Even electric isn't without its scars. Check out the Top Gear episode with the Tesla Roadster; Clarkson points out that electricity obviously comes from large energy plants. Which aren't exactly clean. The balance will come some day. For now, though I'm not crazy about gasoline, I think we're doing better than most people would say. Cars burn ridiculously clean, compared to what they used to. Other sources of emissions should be getting government focus, versus strictly automobiles. It is not the 1970s anymore. My complaint is using foreign sources. If a water-powered car, with today's technology, were possible as a good option, that's what I'd put my money on for a long-term option. But water isn't the kind of substance that can provide energy as we'd need it to. Again, given current technology. In time, who knows. |
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12-23-2008, 08:13 AM | #17 | |
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Fact is, Ethanol plants are so EXPENSIVE, that there is no way private industry would build a plant alone NO ROI (return on investment). The part that sucks is that as the Ethanol dies away there are all these ethanol plants that the Government (Us Taxpayers) paid for sitting empty. I agree keep Government out of the process, I believe we are on the brink of a revolution in car power plants whether it is Hydrogen, electric or some other power source. Honda has already made great stride on the Hydrogen portion, but the fuel cell price is the only problem with it so far. Imagine though if fuel cells get cheap, you could power your car, your house all without being on the grid, and with CLEAN energy. Like I said on the edge of a big revolution, just almost there, just keep the government out, except for maybe a tax free status for 3-5 years for these companies developing the technology, but NO MORE handouts |
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12-20-2008, 03:49 PM | #18 |
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they had me until global warming. either way, I hate having even 10% ethanol when it's killing my mpg.
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Ha, all this for a sham !
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Does it really matter that e85 is much less effecient than things you can't use to power your car. I did my own study and found the a water powered cars with zero emmissions is much better.
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HHHHMMMMM, lets see, maybe a power plant producing electricity to recharge your electric car Future, renewable, 2022 not your Suby Better to find out now before wasting $$$$ for the next decade. Not to mention I hear with the drop in gas recently ethanol is more expensive, I've read of stations in certain states not even required to mix in the 10% because the law states only when cheaper. |
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Big oil hates ethanol, Sally Struthers hates ethanol and as far as I am concerned, some self-righteous ultra tree-huggers will not be satisfied until automobiles no longer exist.
That article is incredibly vague. If I didn't wear a tin-foil hat, i'd almost be inclined to wonder if "Big Oil" funds some of these studies that yield Ethanol Hate Headlines. Did anyone know that prior to prohibition, ethanol and alcohol fuels were much more prevalent in this country? John D. Rockefeller's (of Standard Oil) support of alcohol prohibition helped quash alcohol fuels. |
12-21-2008, 04:04 AM | #23 | |
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When it comes down to it, if in the future you are driving an 'alternate fuel' vehicle you're gonna have the least negative impact on the environment and your wallet (assuming the fuel source becomes mainstream) with hydrogen or full electric using an efficient power plant to recharge your cells. Making fuel from food on a global scale is just....silly. My $0.02 Tim P.S. "I am a Banana" |
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We all know hydrogen is the future.
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12-22-2008, 10:53 AM | #25 |
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Gas prices would be around $1.10-$1.20/gal right now without it.
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