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Old 12-29-2006, 05:48 PM   #1
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Talking 05 STi intake and TBE 336 hp 382 tq

Thanks to Doug at top speed my 05 sti with 57k on the odometer made 311 hp and 354 lb/ft of torque on 93 and 336 hp and 382 lb/ft of torque on 93/c16 mix. My only mods are spt intake, invidia catted 3" TBE, accessport 2.0, and NGK one step colder plugs. Huge improvement over accessport stage 2 and a completely different car from stock. My scanner just quit working so graphs are on the way.
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Old 12-29-2006, 08:02 PM   #2
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You sure you don't have an 07? Those pump gas numbers look awfuly close to the "07 STI Craziness!!!!!!!" thread .

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Old 12-29-2006, 09:07 PM   #3
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Nice numbers. That looks right for a perfectly tuned 05 STi.
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Old 12-29-2006, 09:18 PM   #4
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Ed. I wonder why?

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Old 12-29-2006, 10:13 PM   #5
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93/C16 mix + Topspeeds dyno always get inflated #'s
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Old 12-30-2006, 12:21 AM   #6
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93/C16 mix + Topspeeds dyno always get inflated #'s
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I realize that their dyno typically reads a little higher than most but not that much. With dynos its all relative. First pull with the cobb map was 299/305. So thats 12 hp and 49 lb/ft of torque from just the tune alone not too shabby.
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Old 12-30-2006, 01:46 PM   #7
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Ed. I wonder why?

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Seems like you an I are the only ones seeing past all the "Crazyness!!!!!!!!!!!" Clark


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Old 12-30-2006, 01:58 PM   #8
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So you guys figure 12.1@113 is inflated? Or are you just talking trash to talk trash?

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Old 12-30-2006, 01:58 PM   #9
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:11 PM   #10
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So you guys figure 12.1@113 is inflated? Or are you just talking trash to talk trash?

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They are just talking trash.

The inflated numbers got a 12.1 from the first and only person to race with these inflated numbers on his first time to the track. I seriously doubt he is the best driver the STI has seen, so more then likely these inflated number will be pushing stock turboed STI's into the 11's.

If having inflated numbers gets you better track times then sign me up...
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:12 PM   #11
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So you guys figure 12.1@113 is inflated? Or are you just talking trash to talk trash?

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Nope... 12.1 @ 113 is very fast and great results. The only issue is that same 07 made very similar power to this 05 on pump gas and on the same dyno. This 05 has a CATTED downpipe and lacks the headers that the 07 has. The small power difference between the two is easily made up there. So you think this 05 is also going to trap 112-113mph on pump gas?

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Old 12-30-2006, 02:14 PM   #12
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So you guys figure 12.1@113 is inflated? Or are you just talking trash to talk trash?

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Where does it say that? And, considering most STi's with 20G's make this power, wouldnt you say his "intake and TBE" #'s are either,

A. Inflated
B. They have a SUPER high reading dyno

Im going to go with B. Congrats on your tune either way.
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:20 PM   #13
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I for one dont believe anything but track results. I had a friend with a stage 2 STi locally tuned to "365whp!!!" and when I brought it to the track it ran 107mph... So... that would make about 115whp over a stock STi right?
Oh wait... I put my BONE STOCK STi on the same dyno and made 276whp...
My stock car ran within 3mph of a "365whp" car? Omg I must have the fastestest stock STi ever!...

Hey... how did he run 113mph with less whpz?

Now not saying I had ANY faith in dyno's before... but that was a great experience to stress just how useless a dyno can be if it is not used correctly.

Now back to the original story...

So what exactly are you guys insinuating is going on? Are they lying about the setup? The tune? The results?
If we are drinking coolaid, when dont you enlighten us?
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:23 PM   #14
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Where does it say that? And, considering most STi's with 20G's make this power, wouldnt you say his "intake and TBE" #'s are either,

A. Inflated
B. They have a SUPER high reading dyno

Im going to go with B. Congrats on your tune either way.

That arguement is kind of weak.

Just because you have yet to see X results with Y parts doesnt mean it cant happen. Overmodded underperforming seems to be the most common trend around here. When someone gets good results (rarely) most people dont believe it.

Im not saying I believe it 100%... but the dyno #'s are not what I am interested in... its the ¼mile results. If the car ran 12.1@113... SOMETHING IS WORKING RIGHT.
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:26 PM   #15
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That arguement is kind of weak.

Just because you have yet to see X results with Y parts doesnt mean it cant happen. Overmodded underperforming seems to be the most common trend around here. When someone gets good results (rarely) most people dont believe it.

Im not saying I believe it 100%... but the dyno #'s are not what I am interested in... its the ¼mile results. If the car ran 12.1@113... SOMETHING IS WORKING RIGHT.

Again, WHERE DOES IT SAY HE RAN THIS TIME?

All im saying is there dyno read's high, REALLY high. Thats all

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I for one dont believe anything but track results. I had a friend with a stage 2 STi locally tuned to "365whp!!!" and when I brought it to the track it ran 107mph... So... that would make about 115whp over a stock STi right?
Oh wait... I put my BONE STOCK STi on the same dyno and made 276whp...
My stock car ran within 3mph of a "365whp" car? Omg I must have the fastestest stock STi ever!...

Hey... how did he run 113mph with less whpz?

Now not saying I had ANY faith in dyno's before... but that was a great experience to stress just how useless a dyno can be if it is not used correctly.

Now back to the original story...

So what exactly are you guys insinuating is going on? Are they lying about the setup? The tune? The results?
If we are drinking coolaid, when dont you enlighten us?


I don't care about the dyno numbers. The only issue I have with here is the extreme hype about the 07 STI's actually making more POWER. Topspeed released a couple posts with lots of hype how the 07's are making all this power. The only thing they showed IMO is that their dyno still reads very high. This 05 STI confirms this by making very similar numbers to the "crazy" 07's.

Now of course there's the 113mph run on pump gas. Since the cars make similar power and I think you will agree with me that this 05 would never hit 113mph on pump gas, one of two things is happening with that 07. One possibility is that the gearing is making all of the difference in the 07 which means the 07 can now run significantly better times with the same power levels. The other possibility is that that particular 07 was actually on race gas during the 12.1 @ 113mph pass. I'm not yet sure which of the possibilities is true but we'll soon find out as more and more 07's hit the track.

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Old 12-30-2006, 02:31 PM   #17
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Ok... let me clairify what Im getting at here.

I am kinda dragging the results from another thread into this one as they are both "Topspeed" tuned.

Vaus was talking in both threads so i replyd here.

The car I am talking about running 12.1@113 made less power than this car.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:35 PM   #18
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Well Ed, I'll say this. I hope those results are legit. I dont understand why anyone would be so inclined to doubt them, but to each his own.

I just dont understand how its possible to get a WRX to run nearly a full second faster in the 1/4mile with almost no mods... but no one thinks the STi is capable of anything near that. I ran 13.0 bone stock leaving 9 tenths on the table to bring me inline with the "07 Crazyness" you guys talk of. I am inclined to believe that gaining somewhere around 100wtq should yield the 9 tenths difference to put my car in the same ballfield. The reason I feel that is possible is because I gained 9 tenths in the 1/4mile in my WRX with about $200 in mods. I know the STi reacts differently, but I still feel it can be done.

Am I the only one that has been seeing car after car putting down nearly 400wtq with the stock turbo lately?

I for one dont have any trouble believing the results... I have trouble believeing it took this long for the results to be had.

But of course they could be doing something shady and I could be 100% incorrect... anything is possible I guess.
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:38 PM   #19
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... I put my BONE STOCK STi on the same dyno and made 276whp...
My stock car ran within 3mph of a "365whp" car? Omg I must have the fastestest stock STi ever!...
I dont think there has been a thread ive gone into where your posting and have not mentioned this.....its a good time, but nobody cares. Get a life
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:41 PM   #20
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I dont think there has been a thread ive gone into where your posting and have not mentioned this.....its a good time, but nobody cares. Get a life

God forbid I actually put facts in my posts.

Next time I will use 100% hearsay to appease the meek minded.

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Old 12-30-2006, 03:21 PM   #21
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well doug did say this is the strongest 04-06 STi he has tuned so far. Unfortunately there's no 1/4 mile track near here and I don't like to drag my car so I can't help you there. I know the car feels much much stronger than stock or stage 2. The tune is very smooth and I'm very satisfied. Again its all relative so from stage two I made that much improvement, I'm happy. If I had another free dyno close I could see how much higher their dyno reads.

These are definitely the only power mods done to the car If their dyno reads high idk. Again its all relative.
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:25 PM   #22
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The problem with VF-39#'s on 2.5 blocks is that the torque peak is so darn low, and the 39 just can't maintain it. For example my torque peak is at around 3700 according to my last dyno plot, and it falls like a rock from there.
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:36 PM   #23
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well doug did say this is the strongest 04-06 STi he has tuned so far. Unfortunately there's no 1/4 mile track near here and I don't like to drag my car so I can't help you there. I know the car feels much much stronger than stock or stage 2. The tune is very smooth and I'm very satisfied. Again its all relative so from stage two I made that much improvement, I'm happy. If I had another free dyno close I could see how much higher their dyno reads.

These are definitely the only power mods done to the car If their dyno reads high idk. Again its all relative.
In the end your happy, we made great gains and the car drives awesome. Leave all the dyno debates and conspiracy theories to the others. FWIW I have tuned on different dyno's all over the country and all have made within 10hp of what my dyno reads here.

As for this car, like I told you then, your car was a freak for making so much power. Typically I see around 300hp and yours made much more than that on pumpgas. Hell up untill your car the highest stg2 I have seen on racegas was 333hp and that was pushing it really hard.


Anyhow... I will leave this thread to all the naysayers, go head try and analyze it all you want.


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You sure you don't have an 07? Those pump gas numbers look awfuly close to the "07 STI Craziness!!!!!!!" thread .

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Where's the graph anyway?
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Thanks to Doug at top speed my 05 sti with 57k on the odometer made 311 hp and 354 lb/ft of torque on 93 and 336 hp and 382 lb/ft of torque on 93/c16 mix. My only mods are spt intake, invidia catted 3" TBE, accessport 2.0, and NGK one step colder plugs. Huge improvement over accessport stage 2 and a completely different car from stock. My scanner just quit working so graphs are on the way.


I personally do not care what reads low or high but I am in Summerville SC and I would love to get a ride in this car. Thinking of putting a vf-39 on my 06 TR and haven't ever even been in an STI. As a matter of fact I haven't even been in any modified WRX period. Sad huh, lol. Anyway, great gains! Shoot me a message, I would love to see the car. Any meets around here?
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