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09-15-2010, 12:12 AM | #951 |
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i've never needed studs in the Seattle area w/ AWD. I only ran them on my BMW. Get a good winter tire (Nokian FTW)
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09-15-2010, 12:13 AM | #952 |
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i've never needed studs in the Seattle area w/ AWD. I only ran them on my BMW. Get a good studless winter tire (Nokian FTW)
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09-15-2010, 01:55 PM | #953 |
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Make:Subaru Model: WRX Location: Rochester, NY I'm looking for some decent snow tires for this winter. I've never been through a Rochester winter, but supposedly they aren't that much worse (snowfall wise) than where I hailed from in the Hudson Valley region of NY, just longer and colder. I've also done winters in everything from RWD E30 BMW's with crappy all seasons to a Jeep Wrangler, so i've got a decently wide variety of snow-handle characteristics. My only question is: Studless class Vs Performance class? I'm assuming Performance Winter because once a month (and for holidays) I do a 5-hour drive back home (5 down, 5 up) that is all highway. But, I have no problem keeping it around 65-70mph and not agressive at all. My daily commute is only about 15-20 minutes aswell in Roch. Just looking for some opinions, thanks guys. In Rochester and staying there I would suggest a studless tire like the X Ice XI2 of the Extreme Winter COntact but, that long distance drive makes me think the Blizzak LM60 would be a better choice Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-17-2010 at 02:02 PM. |
09-15-2010, 04:09 PM | #954 |
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^ In your shoes, I would favor the "Performance Winters," BS87, both because of your long-distance cruise (where the tires will offer you a more relaxed highway ride, as well as potentially more clear [wet/dry] highway emergency-maneuvering capabilities), as well as because you're obviously an experienced winter driver, and therefore should inherently understand the performance/safety envelope of your tires as well as vehicle (and your own capabilities).
The counter-argument to the above would be that, on those long trips, should you one day bite off a little more than you can chew, and depart school/work for your journey home only to have the storm really intensify along the way, the "Studless Ice & Snows" will give you quite a bit larger safety margin in fresh powder, compacted snow, and ice.... So this, again, goes back to that fundamental question I always like to put out there - a question that outahere and DrCloud on LegacyGT.com so eloquently revised: do you want to prepare for the most common 3/4, or the worst 1/4? FWIW, a colleague of mine is a Rochester native who came to join us via Boston. His first winter in Cleveland, in his then-new Lexus GS AWD sedan, he realized that he needed winter tires - not because he didn't know how to drive in this stuff, for he grew up in it - rather, because he needed an extra edge so that he can maneuver himself out of the way of danger: i.e. other drivers. He has been, for the past two winters (granted, our last one was very mild), very, very happy with his "Performance Winter" tires. |
09-16-2010, 06:33 PM | #955 |
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09-16-2010, 08:03 PM | #956 |
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^ Oh, he's paying me back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, wait-a-minute, I'm gonna be buying a set of Pirellis from him, soon....hey!!! that's double commissions!!!! if they only knew Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-17-2010 at 02:03 PM. |
09-17-2010, 10:28 AM | #957 | |
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09-17-2010, 10:54 AM | #958 | |
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What "Performance Winter" Tires would you recommend? I have no clue which is good for the price... I'm cheap and only going to be using them in the winter.. So cheaper the better -Jeff |
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09-17-2010, 11:42 AM | #959 | |
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^ I'd wait until both Consumer Reports as well as, even better, the ADAC releases their data.
From winter-tire guru outahere on LegacyGT.com: Quote:
The Dunlop SP WinterSport 3D is a good example. As of even a few seasons ago, it was no longer top-dog, yet, it continues to do very well, despite the passage of time. You can extend the same reasoning, to this year's, too. And one good thing about buying tires that are no longer the top-dog? Their prices are usually more reasonable, too. You'll lose bragging rights at the bar, but you'll be able to buy more drinks. |
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09-17-2010, 11:50 AM | #960 | |
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Anyone run 195/60/16's?? I see alot of 205/60/16 but hows about 195's? Last edited by BS87; 09-17-2010 at 12:07 PM. |
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09-17-2010, 01:02 PM | #961 | |
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Last winter, in my wife's '09 FXT shod with 215/50/17 Xi2s, I made a pretty severe emergency lane-change on the highway (about 70 MPH) - dry/clear conditions - sure, compared to my LGT and her WRX, the vehicle felt like it was gonna topple over , but that of course didn't happen, and even VDC didn't get tripped. I was decently impressed with the tires, to say the least. Still, given the weaknesses of the "Studless Ice & Snows," in the clear (wet or dry), I'd just have that in the back of your mind, as you're making your highway commutes. You're a cautious driver, and modern "Studless Ice & Snows" will go a long way towards expanding that safety envelope. |
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09-17-2010, 02:15 PM | #962 | |
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09-17-2010, 06:28 PM | #963 |
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^ Hope you're back in full trim soon!
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09-18-2010, 12:12 AM | #964 |
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Make:Subaru Model: WRX 5-door Location: Ottawa, Canada I've got my new summer-shoed WRX on order and need to get some winter tires lined-up. I have a 22 mile drive cross-town to work and do a lot of driving to hockey games (sometimes out of town). I've used snow & ice tires for the past 15 years. I'm considering the Continental ExtremeWinterContact (205/55R16 T). Has anybody else tried them? They have good reviews and a reasonable price on tirerack. BTW Luke, I saw a field for "Optional Referral Number" on the tirerack site. What is that for? I think the Extreme Winter Contact would be a good choice for you as they offer traction that rivals the best offerings from both Bridgestone and Michelin without the squirmy feeling of the Blizzak in the dry. The reference number thing is used for special promotions which we have occasionally. Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-20-2010 at 10:17 AM. |
09-18-2010, 11:44 AM | #965 |
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I have a quick question, there are a set of 4 brand new Blizzaks for $250, but they are small P215/70 R14. Will these fit my 02? Thanks
you can not fit 14's on a WRX Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-20-2010 at 10:03 AM. |
09-18-2010, 01:29 PM | #966 | |
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The 215 is fine, but 70 is very tall. You should look for 205 or 215, 50 or 55 16's. |
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09-19-2010, 07:07 PM | #967 |
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how about having winter tires in northern virginia area???
a performance winter tire is highly recommended for your area Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-20-2010 at 10:44 AM. |
09-19-2010, 10:45 PM | #968 | |
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09-19-2010, 10:46 PM | #969 |
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Just get Winter tires...
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09-20-2010, 07:34 PM | #970 |
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One last question: Anyone here run both General Altimax Arctics and Blizzaks (WS-60 line)? Or have experiences/opinions on a comparison?
Debating between the WS60/WS70 and the Arctics. Thanks! The WS70 is the better of the two when it comes to ice and snow traction ... the General is better when not in the snow and ice Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-22-2010 at 11:32 AM. |
09-21-2010, 04:00 AM | #971 | |
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street class snow cross. only rule is DOT, no stud. I have my car setup to fit with the 42 offset with rolled fenders and its as tight as I like. but my current wheel/tire is a bit oversized. |
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09-21-2010, 11:17 PM | #972 |
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make: Subaru model: WRX location: Billings, MT tires only or winter package: Winter package I'm curious if there is clearance for 16" since the car comes stock with 17's. It there an advantage between 16" & 17" with respect to actual winter performance? I also presume I need to get TPMS mounted too? 16's will perform better in the snow than the 17" counterpart as the 16's typically have a norrower footprint and more sidewall deflection. a 16" steel wheel with some WS70's and sensors is only $796.00 plus shipping (add $135 for a quickset tool) Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-28-2010 at 01:33 PM. |
09-22-2010, 12:27 AM | #973 | |
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I don't think there would be much difference in performance between the two sizes, just one gives you more sidewall to absorb potholes n such. I'm going to do a test mount of my 2002 WRX wheels on my 2011 WRX and see how well it fits. I can post the results. |
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09-22-2010, 10:34 AM | #974 |
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make: subaru model: wrx location: dc tires only or winter package: tires only (225/45/17 or 235/45/17) not looking for the best winter tire and would like to keep the set around $550 (after tax/shipping) or less. had a set of blizzak lm-22s last season and they performed as expected during our blizzards and on dry tarmac. i'd like a performance winter tire (but not set on them) so i'm leaning towards the hankook icebear w300, falken eurowinter hs439, dunlop graspic ds-3, pirelli winter 210 sz serie ii, or the conti extremewintercontact. steel wheels and 195/60-16 WS60 = $564.00 plus shipping Last edited by Luke@tirerack; 09-28-2010 at 01:33 PM. |
09-22-2010, 12:09 PM | #975 | |
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Neither the Hankook nor the Falken have been top-finishers in various European tests (or of past by Consumer Reports; add another caveat in that some of the European tests really are biased against "Performance Winters"), but of the two, the Hankooks do still enjoy a very good reputation among Subaru owners, and a variant of the the new Winter i*cept evo ranked highly on this year's CR tests (which is already, itself, being debated in the enthusiast community). Similarly, the Pirelli 210s have been a mid-grade performer in most tests.... Overall, given the lack of clarity of the latest CR test, I'd wait at least until you can see some data from this year's ADAC testing - which should be available by this weekend. |
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