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10-14-2016, 07:01 AM | #3376 |
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some cool stuff finally coming out. King had mentioned they had these in the works when I emailed them in april. http://autoslanger.dk/en/king-subaru...h6-ez30-p19196
Also if anyone needs a throttle body I have the falcon one that fits, its dbc
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10-14-2016, 07:04 AM | #3377 |
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and yes a 2.5l ecu is not going to run a 6 cylinder engine from the factory.... however, if you go standalone you can configure outputs and go from there to get all the cylinders. On the ez30, you need to sort out a crank pickup as most ecus cannot decode it. Hydra, AEM infinity, and Link have it down though
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10-14-2016, 08:23 AM | #3378 |
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Actually, most manufacturers will write a new decoder if you send them the information. To add to your list though, megasquirt 2&3 both work as well as VEMS. However, as far as I know, the only units that fully support the EZ36 with dbw and quad cam control is Haltech and Link. Well, all of the high end units like Motec should as well, but they are really for motorsport specific applications.
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10-24-2016, 10:28 PM | #3379 |
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Quick question for those in the know. I have been working on my donor wiring harness and have seperated out all the engine plugs, ecu plugs, and tcu plugs (I cut all the tcu wires except the ones that ran directly to the ecu) I have been following a merge guide meant for the wrx and referencing the fsm for the 2001 h6. My question is , is the smj required in this particular swap? I can't see anything it connects to that requires it being retained for the swap. Will be going into a 99 legacy 2.2 if it matters
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02-16-2017, 08:55 AM | #3380 |
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Vehicle:2001 EZ30D Forester Red |
Here's a thread on my H6 swapped Forester.
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2826998 |
02-17-2017, 11:16 AM | #3381 | |
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I was hoping you would come visit this thread and share what you and your installer have done to get over the various issues folks have reported with using the factory ECU. So, any comment on what I said in your thread? |
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02-17-2017, 11:12 PM | #3382 |
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Well, I've bought a gen 4 blitzen with the H6/6 speed manual. But I'll still post around here for H6 modding
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02-20-2017, 02:24 PM | #3383 | |
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So yes I do not have much experience with the wiring, but as far as I know the ECU is tricked into thinking that when the car is in gear it is in gear. When in neutral it is in neutral. I can tell as when I put the car in gear the RPMS raise slightly, when it neutral they will lower. Very little stalling but I have a little trick. When coming to stops I pop the shiftier in neutral and it almost always prevents the motor from stalling. Sorry I couldn't answer with my details. |
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02-21-2017, 04:24 PM | #3384 |
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Does anyone have any details about the Air Condition fitment issues on a eg33 going into a GC impreza? I have searched up and down, and all i see people saying is "no ac" or needs custom work.
I understand that it may need custom lines, or a fabricated plate to use a newer compressor, but does anyone know anymore than "toss it to save weight"? I ask because I like the eg33, and while it's more fab work, everyone does turbo/jdm swaps. however I live in SC and AC is a must here. Thanks |
02-22-2017, 04:57 PM | #3385 |
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I had that issue with my ez30D. You can mechanically hook it up, but if it uses a different engagement method (single wire, dual, dual sensors etc etc) you're pretty much screwed. We could hotwire it and get it to run always on, but we couldn't get it to actually work with the factory electronics.
If it uses the same single or dual wire or dual sensor or whatever system as your recipient car you'll be ok but otherwise you're toast. |
02-23-2017, 07:00 AM | #3386 |
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there are standalone a/c system you can buy that people fit to old hot rods all the time. unless you are set on oem parts.
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02-23-2017, 02:59 PM | #3387 |
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I feel like the usual subaru AC is too weak anyway. All 3 that I've owned seemed to keep cycling the compressor for some reason. I don't know if they're trying to prevent icing, or improve fuel economy, but my old fashioned 99 tiburon is ice cold. Also, the tiburon never turns on the AC by itself when you switch to defrost, and never runs the compressor without turning the AC light on like the new subarus do.
2005 sti 2010 forester xt 2015 sti |
04-15-2017, 03:02 PM | #3388 |
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Its been a while
Just getting going on this again
Had 11mm headstuds made, I am just assembling engine to check piston to valve clearance for AVCS, then its to be taken apart again for balancing Ez30r block machined and headstuds fitted Intake ports were cleaned up Ez30r intakes Heads machined for head stud clearance Ez30 head fitted Before Ez30r head prior to machining for headstuds After Ez30r head machined for headstuds As soon as I finish valve clearance checks and get the reciprocating assembly to the balancer I will start on the exhaust manifold/s, these will take some time and i dont get much to spare, hopefully this will all be sitting in the car by the end of the year, will post updates Last edited by Spec C; 04-16-2017 at 10:56 AM. |
04-16-2017, 10:00 AM | #3389 |
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She is beautiful. Will you be boosting?
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04-16-2017, 10:09 AM | #3390 | |
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The higher ends like the Syvecs, Motec, Cosworth Pectel will allow you tweak it further, if you need to use it in situation for serious street performance and plus. The S6Plus will allow you such controls. Andy Forrest runs the S8, which also controls the gear box and many other things. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...y=andy+forrest Watch this. It maybe a little hard to digest, but review it - So you options are vast. If cost is a problem, use the Hydra/link. Phil is great with the Hydra Support and with the Hydra 2.7, makes it so much easier. but as per usual, chat with your tuner. Key thing to think about is the crank/cam pickup is key. Having a stable processing without drift etc etc is key. Use a unit that is design for serious pickup. Example Hydra EMS and the other High End EMS or Powertrain solution if this is a concern for extracting more performance reliability. |
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04-16-2017, 10:58 AM | #3391 |
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04-16-2017, 11:00 AM | #3392 |
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
You been listening to my thoughts....................... Well I will try to follow here. You have a mod list on another thread. Just to busy to look. I am a tuner thats why. |
04-16-2017, 11:48 AM | #3393 | |
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AIM's site: http://www.aim-sportline.com/eng/dow...ons-racing.htm The list of ECUS that have/can have the required I/O: Adaptronic Modular M6000 Haltech Elite 2500 (with a TON of expanders) Link Thunder Emtron KV8 Syvecs/Life S8/icr (with expanders) Motec (with some expanders?) Pectel (not even sure as their info is not readily available) Hydra can't do it. Not enough digital in. Haltech, Emtron, Syvecs/Life, Motec, and Pectel (assuming because no info), are all way out of my price range. That leaves Adaptronic and Link. With the Link, I would still have to do a few workarounds with CANbus to have everything I want. Configurable CANbus means I can make my own I/O for some stuff like switches. I have also been hearing some no-so-hot opinions about Link a lot more lately. I'm sure they work just fine, but I just know some people that I trust that aren't fond of them. That leaves Adaptronic on the table, which is what it looks like I am going to go with. I need a few more answers, but then I will probably be pulling the trigger this summer. |
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04-17-2017, 09:50 AM | #3394 | |
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Ok Sounds good. Yes Hydra will have the limitation, but then you would have to focus on the managing the I/O. The Syvecs would be expensive and even the S12 for more supporting, but yes the Expander for the S8 or the S6plus. The idea is total control with superb strategies and not just I/O. That is what you pay for. Good work and I will follow you this thread. I love what you all are doing. Just makes me want a EZ30 on the bench. I dont have time due to my daily job, but could be something nice you put in a few hours from time to time doing things like this. Do you have a link to your build? Last edited by west_minist; 04-17-2017 at 09:55 AM. |
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04-17-2017, 10:23 AM | #3395 | |
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The poor strategies is part of why I am shying away from Link. I don't know for sure that they are bad, I just know they aren't transparent, so I have no way of knowing. That's one of the nice things with the Adaptronic. If I don't like something about the logic in the ECU, I can change it and write my own. I like Syvecs, but it's just too far out of my price range to try and stretch for. I'm on my phone me right now, but I'll get a link for the the build later. (Nothing special 'cause I'm no good at taking pictures, so it's just blocks of text and no one really replies. |
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04-17-2017, 11:03 AM | #3396 | |
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As far as what I know, below are the following when you are looking at EMS':
For the Link and AEM and this is based on my knowledge and communicating with persons using these product for years, the AEM have problems with timing. Tats no surprise. Hydra solve this many years by have timing modules per unit needs. Link is much better at this, but still have that issue and like many manufactures, try to do it through software. it will never be as fast as using hardware. Then you are just left with strategy. I strongly believe when manufactures works with Engine Development like how the Top manufactures are, you see a new breed of devices produce. Example, Life Racing/Syvecs, Motec, Bosch, Pectel and a few others. But comes with this development is cost. But for me as a tuner, we are suppose to know better to optimise tuning. We spend and use many hours building the best thing and then overlook the management of such projects. Last edited by west_minist; 04-17-2017 at 11:13 AM. |
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04-17-2017, 02:06 PM | #3397 | |
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That reasoning is part of what has been factored into my choice of ECU. I was actually wanting to just develop a new one from scratch, but then I figured out that Adaptronic's software didn't suck any more. Ideally, I would be able to go with a higher end ECU, but I just can't afford it. I've known that AEM did that, but didn't know Link did. Just another reason for me to not go that route I guess. Andy, the owner and lead engineer at Adaptronic, is also a tuner. When you couple that with his actual education background, and I think that Adaptronic is one of the best on the market dollar for dollar at the moment. The other ECU I am still somewhat considering is Emtron. There is a lot of variability to it in that you can use a whole slew of tables and constraints to make things work. I just don't know much about the hardware inside. But, at the same time, because the new modular ECUs are still somewhat in development, the available I/O on the Emtron is slightly nicer. Sorry if this sounds like an advert for Adaptronic, that's not the intention. I just think that it is what I am probably going to go with, so I obviously like its feature set. |
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04-17-2017, 02:25 PM | #3398 | |
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Review the S6Plus. Good pricing if otherwise. Same kits that will be used going forward for the record making GTR's and Porsche's. The Emtron looks good. Here is a joke. It took me close to a month going through the Syvecs/Life Racing to love it. I haven't seen the bosch one yet, but I find it well kind of laid out. Simtek is good but a little confusing. i found the EMtron to be easy, but not sure of the strategies. Lots of I/O's. But going back to the main points, not sure how well. My reference to Link are persons with JDM's and a few none JDM's. When switch to another like the Motec or Syvecs with the same tuner, totally difference car in respect to response. Just do what you can. Just taking bull by the horns and doing such projects, persons like me can just sit and watch and dream Last edited by west_minist; 04-17-2017 at 03:09 PM. |
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04-18-2017, 12:33 PM | #3399 | |
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Symtec is off the board due to I/O restrictions. I am also not thrilled about not knowing how things Are you saying there was a marked improvement when switching to another ECU? I wonder if what they have going is that bad? You can always just build up a parts pile slowly, and put everything together when you have enough. Where there's a will, there's a way, right? |
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04-19-2017, 09:50 PM | #3400 |
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I know I can. Not sure if I want to be there at the moment with family and little funds. I will see. Trying to get another DD. The GC8 could then become project. I find as I get older, I am losing interest.
I sold my S6 to my friend who will be running it in his 2008+ JDM WRX Why do you say you dont have enough i/O on the s6plus or even the S8. Let me see the file you created a few pages over. Update: What are you trying to run, because when I was designing it for a few 3.0/3.6, I had no issue, except for the 5EAT. But in another car I was working on, we were going to use the S12 to control everything. But with the S6Plus and using the CAN, the only issue will be to scan for the communication of the 5EAT. Once can use the 3rd process in the S6Plus for that. Either ways, just some thoughts and I look forward to your summer. Last edited by west_minist; 04-19-2017 at 10:05 PM. |
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