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04-17-2013, 12:57 AM | #1 | |
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New midsize pickup in the works for GM
http://news.yahoo.com/gm-roll-line-s...--finance.html
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04-17-2013, 09:12 AM | #2 |
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I honestly think offroad prowess (or at least an offroad image) is the key to the midsize truck market.
A small diesel sure wouldn't hurt either. I'd love to see the new one come in smaller than the Tacoma with around 10" of ground clearance and an option for 33" tires to 1up the competition (the best anyone offers right now are 32"). |
04-17-2013, 09:18 AM | #3 |
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So it's going to be larger than a Tacoma?
The Tacoma is already huge. Sounds like it will be a 9/10 scale Silverado. Go 'merka. A smaller, efficient truck seems like the way to go, but this is GM we're talking about. |
04-17-2013, 10:35 AM | #4 |
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04-17-2013, 10:42 AM | #5 |
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04-17-2013, 10:59 AM | #6 |
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They call is an Isuzu D Max Diesel in Asia. Good reputation too. Isuzu and GM now working on new small diesel for USA. BTW Asia knows CNG/LNG propane better and cheaper than hybrid/electric. All cabs run on it and many trucks too!
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04-17-2013, 11:08 AM | #7 | |
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This plus eleventy billion. The majority of GM cars are so unappealing these day, they just get it sooooo wrong. I don't understand their business tactics (Cadi is an exception, a huge exception.) Their cars will always sell to 'Muricans, but the rest of us Americans aren't buying it, literally. Ford, in a matter of years, went from on-par with GM to light years ahead of GM. The Colorado and Canyon are great sized cars, but they are uber crappy. My dad had one as a rental for a week and it felt like a 1996 Kia. Toyota should bring out a small pickup, the Tacoma is an awesome truck, but is nolonger a small pickup. I didn't really realize how much it grew until I saw it next to a first gen Tundra. Or just ditch the slow selling Tundra, call the next gen Tacoma the Tundra, and shrink the Tacoma back down. |
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04-17-2013, 06:48 PM | #8 | |
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It is just as accurate to say it doesn't penalize larger vehicles. Buyers are the ones who generally want things bigger. The point of the new CAFE rules was to try and improve efficiency for all vehicle classes and not try and force buyers into certain vehicle classes. |
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04-17-2013, 08:49 PM | #9 |
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That was perhaps the intent. The reality is that manufacturers are better off building larger footprint vehicles with less stringent CAFE-fantasy-MPG targets.
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04-18-2013, 07:20 AM | #10 |
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Not really. They are only better with a larger footprint if they keep the efficiency the same or the vehicle is cheaper to produce. The new CAFE standards are way better than the old ones. The inclusion of vehicle size is a good decision. The inclusion of trading credits is a good decision. It is orders of magnitude better than the prior CAFE standards. It allows manufacturers to build the kind of vehicles that their customers want. It allows specialization by manufacturers. It is funny that only now the US companies finally get decent small cars when they could have avoided them now, but previously had to build them
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04-18-2013, 07:31 AM | #11 |
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04-18-2013, 08:44 AM | #12 | |
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Subaru dropped the Legacy wagon because of the new CAFE laws, the Crosstrek has the same utility as the Impreza Sport, but Subaru is going to sell more of them, despite the worse fuel mileage, because it classifies as a light truck. The CAFE standards are actually making Subaru's fleet average worse than it could be because Subaru has to work the loopholes. |
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04-18-2013, 01:34 PM | #13 |
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Before this set of rules Subaru still classified things as light trucks to get around the old CAFE regulations and have worse fuel economy. The new rules are better for precisely that reason. The fact that full size pickups from Dodge, GM, and Ford have all gotten significantly better mileage ratings now is a good thing. If you want to do something about this then go shout to the masses that they should want to buy econoboxes. Good luck convincing them.
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04-18-2013, 01:46 PM | #14 |
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The correct answer to the "if you want to do something about this" question is "raise the gas tax". Everything else would fall naturally from this one action.
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04-18-2013, 01:53 PM | #15 |
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I do not like social engineering through taxes. Where does it stop.
There is no correct answer. So being how there is no right way to do things, I say elevate the oil used per car. Mandate cars get really crappy mileage. Use up all the petroleum in the world in record time. Then we will all be force to drive the crappy little **** boxes humming around with batteries. The earth will repair it self in 10years and life can get all Kum-By-Ya for every one. LOL |
04-18-2013, 02:21 PM | #16 |
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You would think, but the tripling of the price of gas didn't change things much over the last few years.
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04-19-2013, 07:11 AM | #18 |
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Economists are often full of it And good ones will admit it.
The general consensus is that consumers operate with a dead band in response to gas prices. If gas prices are no higher than a certain number then they really ignore them. It gas prices exceed that then they will react. I actually don't fully agree. If you do something simple like plot the GPM of new vehicles sold vs. gas price you can see a reaction, but you have to plot the GPM-CAFE required GPM to see an effect. You can actually see something. But the often the economists that try and tally the effect of gas prices on consumers ignore simple things like that. However that correlation as you know does not work for causation. It could well be argued that higher gas prices mean a new more stringent CAFE rule set will be mandated which means automakers might produce more efficient vehicles before the rules go into place so they will be compliant at that time. It is hard to say exactly what is happening. I still stand by liking these new CAFE rules way better. The trading of credits and inclusion of more vehicle characteristics is a plus to me. I agree with you Shika that a gas tax is the most efficient way to do this from a standard economics perspective, but it is not politically possible and it is pie in the sky thinking to wait for it to happen. We can't even raise the tax enough to pay for infrastructure, which it should be at a minimum. |
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Not just GM, Ford may be doing the same thing should they decide to bring back the "F100". Guess nobody wants small trucks anymore.
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