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01-05-2013, 02:38 PM | #15101 | |
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01-05-2013, 03:13 PM | #15102 | |
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I think some CVT drivers think that the manual is somehow outperforming the CVT in MPG's or in meeting the EPA numbers. It isn't -- some people with 5 speeds are getting crappy mileage and some are getting better mileage, just like with the CVT. I think fewer drivers of the 5speed expect the car to outperform the EPA numbers, and recognize that how the car is driven has a huge effect on the MPG's. A few drivers (who know they have a lead foot) also know that they are not wringing the best fuel economy from the car based upon their driving style. On the highway with a warm engine the CVT will outperform the 5 speed just because of the higher gear ratios -- but both will get terrible mileage if driven faster than 70mph (this is consistent with physics). PS whoever pointed out that the CVT has a lot of cold fluid to heat up may be on to something, at least as it pertains to City numbers. In the winter time both the 5speed and CVT take a hit, but I would guess the very low CITY numbers some people are seeing are due to the short drives with a cold transmission. This car has to heat up to reach the EPA numbers, which is consistent with how they derived those numbers, from a single 30 minute dyno run. They didn't start and stop a cold engine and cold transmission repeatedly to get the 27mpg number. The testing criteria is on fuel economy.gov if you car to read it. Last edited by Zeeper; 01-05-2013 at 04:52 PM. |
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01-05-2013, 03:53 PM | #15103 |
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The drag of the torque converter and belt seem to negate whatever advantage continuous ratios provide, as shown by the 0-60 time. In conditions where you might get the advertised 36MPG, the CVT will be stuck in its tallest ratio anyway.
After the blue light goes out at 120F, the engine begins routing its heat to the CVT, which prolongs engine warm-up. The engine does not run efficiently at 120F. The CVT makes for a massive heat sink. From what I've seen with my 5MT, the engine can take half an hour or more to hit 195F on a cold day. With the thermal load of the CVT and heater core, I wouldn't be surprised if the engine never reaches 195F on some of your commutes. A block heater on my 5MT added 2 MPG on average to my half hour commute. For CVTs, I would expect a greater improvement, especially on short trips. It will allow you to: -Minimize the wasteful PZEV startup -Begin applying heavy load to the engine almost immediately which further reduces warm-up time -Begin heating the transmission sooner -Avoid freezing startups, reducing engine wear You might also save fuel by using the recirculate mode on the heater. |
01-05-2013, 07:04 PM | #15104 | ||
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01-05-2013, 07:25 PM | #15105 |
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stevenhmfm
I noticed the lack of video evidence (any evidence, really) in your rebuttal. Wanna try again? If you watch the videos, the other common statement seems to be "it gets great MPG's for an AWD car" In fact, that basic sentiment is shared by both Consumer Reports and the mpgomatic reviewer. Sorry they don't seem to share your general lack of enthusiasm. On a side note, I would much rather listen to Emme Hall's opinions than read yours. Check her out, she is great. |
01-05-2013, 07:56 PM | #15106 | |
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And, again you are convoluting the discussion, which is about the cvt's gas mileage, compared to what Subaru claims. Try to stay on task... |
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01-05-2013, 08:25 PM | #15107 | |
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I think you are either not watching the videos provided, or you have the sound turned off, because my summation of their comments is quite accurate. |
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01-05-2013, 08:26 PM | #15108 |
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oh good another stevenm vs zeeper thread
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01-05-2013, 10:02 PM | #15109 |
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01-05-2013, 10:18 PM | #15110 |
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01-05-2013, 10:22 PM | #15111 |
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I like my CVT with it's taller gear ratio and 3.22 gallons of fluid. Mileage is pretty close to par.
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01-05-2013, 10:41 PM | #15112 |
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The taller ratio doesn't hold as well and it automatically downshifts sooner at higher speeds under even lesser grades, which exacerbates the increased fuel usage. I suspect at high speeds it can't even hold high gear on flat ground, which might cause the AT overheating problem.
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01-06-2013, 09:03 AM | #15113 | |
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(two of the 12 reviews I provided one page back are by Emme Hall, you should watch her because in her second car review, driving the CVT Sport, she agrees with both of us that the 5 speed is the way to go, although it has nothing to do with the reason you think she should say that) What the heck, Stevehnm is an engineer! Why won't Consumer Reports return his calls, retract their endorsement of the car, and stop calling it a car that gets excellent MPG's for an AWD platform? Back to the spreadsheets... Last edited by Zeeper; 01-06-2013 at 11:27 AM. |
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01-06-2013, 11:17 PM | #15114 | |
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Yea for the kind words. Yea the damage could have been worst but i think i adverted it because I tried to pull away when I realized he wasn't slowing down. glad the lights and glass didnt break, but i wonder if the spoiler has to come off and be reattached to the new hatch door. hopefully they install it correctly since i dont have the factory template to drill the holes anymore. i installed the oem spoiler after i bought the car. |
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01-06-2013, 11:21 PM | #15115 | |
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i will definitely look into that aeoporta!! i totally forgot about that!! With the bashed up car on the topic of conversation....i posted this also on the so cal forum but no replies or activities really on there so maybe i can get some help here. does anyone know of a good subaru body shop in the 626 or Los Angeles area? My 2012 Impreza wagon (non-wrx/sti) was rear ended this past friday and the back is busted. thanks! anyone have experience with the dealer body shop (i think santa monica and irvine has their own according to their site). should i take it there since its the dealer that would be working on it?? thanks!! |
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01-07-2013, 12:45 PM | #15116 |
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Another issue? I'm still looking for one. One case of over heating doesn't make it an instant issue for all CVTs. A few cases of not getting the estimated MPGs doesn't make it an issue for all CVTs either. Forums are for complaints and you get far fewer praises.
I'm happily getting the Estimated MPGs here in Minneapolis/St.Paul even with the cold temps and zero CVT issues. I love the CVT. Granted its a fairly new technology and I'm still hoping for the best long term. And I'm not saying some true issue might show up later down the road. Note that Subaru Automatic Trannys have almost always had higher MPG ratings compared with the manual. I don't know about the new Impreza but for older subies, the AWD is handled different between them. Automatic Tranny had a electronic center diff to engage the AWD and under normal operation (no-slip) its mostly front wheel drive. Some say 90%/10% and i've also heard 80%/20%. With the manual transmission its a mechanical center diff, and is 60%/40% or 50%/50% and is more of a constant AWD car with I'd imagine more drag. |
01-07-2013, 01:17 PM | #15117 |
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Does anyone have pictures of a plasti-dipped stock grill on a DGM '12+?
It was discussed a few times previously in this thread, but I haven't found any post-application pictures. I think the sport grill might be too aggressive for my tastes, but the chrome isn't my thing. |
01-07-2013, 01:26 PM | #15118 |
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Search it. Its on here about a zillion times. Ya lazy sob.
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01-07-2013, 01:27 PM | #15119 | |
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01-07-2013, 01:58 PM | #15120 |
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01-07-2013, 02:09 PM | #15121 |
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01-07-2013, 02:18 PM | #15122 |
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If I was buying a WRX, I would want a manual. I'm more than happy with the CVT on the Impreza. Sure, its not always as fun to drive as a manual, but if I wanted a fun to drive car I would have bought the WRX instead
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01-07-2013, 02:41 PM | #15123 |
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01-07-2013, 02:56 PM | #15124 | |
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01-07-2013, 03:10 PM | #15125 |
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