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12-13-2013, 03:33 PM | #1 |
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BRZ or STI for the track
So...I lost a debate with the wife last night and now I have to buy a new car. The question is should I get an STI or a BRZ? I know that I will probably mod the suspension, chassis bracing and bushings on either before I am happy with it. Anyone with experiences tracking both models I would love it if you could give me your $0.02. I will also be using it as a daily driver, but my commute is 6 miles a day total so that is a minor consideration. I don't like under powered cars, but I hate under steer even more. I have not driven a BRZ yet, but I'll be test driving one very soon.
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12-13-2013, 03:36 PM | #2 | |
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12-13-2013, 03:57 PM | #3 |
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BRZ with a supercharger.....
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12-13-2013, 03:58 PM | #4 |
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12-13-2013, 05:24 PM | #5 |
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used brz, save money for a built motor/turbo, or sti motor swap in it, & have best of both worlds
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12-13-2013, 05:51 PM | #6 |
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Forced induction BRZ.
Do you want to learn to drive, or do you want the car to drive for you? Track times are actually shockingly similar between the two, unless you have a HEAVILY power-centric course (e.g. Auto Club Speedway Roval) |
12-13-2013, 06:06 PM | #7 |
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Go for handling first if you are just getting into the track, you can always add power.
BRZ should be a great platform to start from |
12-13-2013, 06:12 PM | #8 |
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I've owned very modified WRXs and now own a BRZ and I'd take the BRZ. It's a lot of fun even in stock form with a better set of tires. If you have courses with long straights you'll be getting passed by higher HP cars, but it doesn't make it any less fun really.
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12-13-2013, 06:45 PM | #9 |
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I own a brz and I previously owned a 08 wrx, the brz is a blast, even without the hp, it's not that slow... It handles like a dream though, but I am I'm the process of turboing it too so I would say do that
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12-13-2013, 06:45 PM | #10 |
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U are right sir
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12-13-2013, 10:36 PM | #11 |
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In the long run, depending on how frequently you go at the track, having a BRZ at the track will prove to be much cheaper than running a STI.
Consumables on the BRZ will most likely be cheaper and last longer than whatever you'll end up buying for the STI. In this case, weight is the enemy of our wallets (chewing through tires, brake pads and rotors). That's my .02 based on my ongoing experience with tracking my WRX. |
12-13-2013, 10:46 PM | #12 |
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12-13-2013, 11:53 PM | #14 | |
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STI, left mostly stock or exhaust and tune at most with springs, shocks, sway bars, and a good tire on the oem wheels is going to get you a fast car with real sporting movement and responses. |
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12-13-2013, 11:57 PM | #15 | |
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12-14-2013, 01:27 AM | #16 |
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12-14-2013, 11:55 AM | #17 |
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Are you a track rookie or veteran? If you're a rookie, BRZ hands down.
If you're a veteran, then you have to factor in the following: 1. STi has more expensive consumables. It is also heavier and will use up it's tires and brakes faster. Then there are gasoline and insurance cost differences as well. 2. Turbo engine runs hotter at the track, and can limit your run time on a very hot day, even keeping the STi engine stock. You will want a radiator upgrade in short time, considering you are in the south. 3. BRZ handles extremely well out of the box, where the STi wants some suspension re-balancing to combat understeer and rear lift under heavy breaking, even with stock width summer tires. 4. Do you want to be able to drive like a maniac? The STi supports over-aggressive driving without too much fanfare (even though it is faster to drive properly), but the BRZ demands proper driving to hold good speed. Being relatively underpowered, though, the BRZ's attitude remains much more stable when you mash the throttle. *Disclaimer: I have not personally driven the BRZ on track, but some of my STi buddies at the track have, and we have discussed a lot of this at length. |
12-14-2013, 12:03 PM | #18 |
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I would say you won the debate with your wife....
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12-14-2013, 12:07 PM | #19 |
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12-14-2013, 12:55 PM | #20 |
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And yet she thinks she won. Damn I'm good. I kills me to get rid of my wrx. i put so much time and $$$$ into that car to get it Where it is. She's not too crazy about the idea of supercharging a brand new car, but I think I can make a good business case, since that will still cost less than an Sti. I'm going for a test drive today.
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12-14-2013, 01:09 PM | #21 |
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Hmmm, quick and nimble or a flying brick? Yup that's a tough one!
Seriously though, you will have more fun in a BRZ. |
12-14-2013, 07:38 PM | #22 | ||
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That being said, rookie or veteran, both would be just fine depending on if the driver is looking for the light, nimble, classic rwd driving experience or the safety, confidence, and power delivery and/or lap time potential of a good awd platform. Last edited by Swine; 12-14-2013 at 07:55 PM. |
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12-14-2013, 08:19 PM | #23 |
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Not really. Most people would argue that you'll learn more in a momentum car, which the BRZ is. Being able to go too aggressively into a corner doesn't make the car better for beginners. In fact it hides their mistakes. Being able to step over the limit at lower speeds tends to make a car safer to learn on. And one that punishes small mistakes by scrubbing noticeable speed while still being simple to control is ideal for learning more. The STi won't scrub as much speed for over-driving it as the BRZ.
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12-14-2013, 09:03 PM | #24 |
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Thanks for the input guys. I just bought a brz. The decision seed pretty obvious after I drove it.
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12-14-2013, 09:14 PM | #25 | |
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Hiding mistakes? Sure the STI awd platform will do that, and its not the best approach. But i would rather be riding instructor in a nice tame, safe, awd platform coaching a driver where they may be over driving then something that has the real potential to bite. If you want to ride shotgun with trigger happy newbie in a BRZ rather then a STI in turn 11 on road atlanta, be my guest. Silly. Step over the limits at lower speeds? He already said he plans of a full compliment of bolts and a power adder for the brz. If anything, its limits should be quite high, i believe. The only real difference is going to be the way the car breaks traction. Again, i would much much much rather be riding shotgun in a car pushing with a new driver then in a short chassis rwd car and the ass hung out. But if we are talking "in general" and a stock brz then yes, you could have a point there. Scrubbing speed w/ mistakes. Sure, i guess the lighter car would scrub more speed with mistakes. Ill give you that as long as you give that the BRZ has the higher potential of having a yard sale mistake then an Sti. No such thing as a fool proof car, but i am firm on my stance that i would much rather be coaching a new guy in a nice, lightly under-steering highly stable chassis then a short chassis rwd car with similar hp and grip. I mainly participate in safe, fun track days though. Not much competition, if i were coaching a driver to compete/race then maybe i would feel differently. If im picking a car to throw a new driver in and coach em up with the success factor being that everyone goes home intact including the car....im choosing the stable under steering platform. Thanks. Sorry for the OT rant. Back on topic: sweet pick up OP, id be in a BRZ as well. Going to be a fun little ripper, which S/C kits are you considering? Last edited by Swine; 12-14-2013 at 09:30 PM. |
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