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Location: Pittsburgh
Vehicle:2003 WRX wagon Silver |
![]() I wonder if it will actually be 100 miles, or a Nissan 100 miles meaning 73 when new and falling from there.
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![]() Who is the target audience? Me, that's who. I want an EV with good factory support and enough room for a growing family. I bet I won't be alone, either, and that they'll sell every last one of the 2600 planned. Hell, the 1st gen RAV4 EVs with their NiMH packs are still trading for near $50k last I checked...
More photos and specs: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Key stats: - 38.3" rear legroom, assuming 2012 dimensions, which is ample for rear-facing child seats - 41.8 kWh of Tesla lithium-ion batteries powering a similarly Tesla-sourced 115 kW electric motor, good for 0-60 in 7 seconds and 100 miles of range - 9.6 kW Level 2 charger, which implies that charging from empty will take 4.5 hours - Available for outright sale to the public in "late summer 2012", assuming one lives in Sacramento, Bay Area, LA, or San Diego - 2600 to be built over a 3 year run, which would more than double Tesla's cumulative production If I'm lucky then Toyota will expand sales to the Seattle metro region by summer 2013. If not, then we will fly down to Cali, buy one in the Bay Area, and truck it back home, Consumer Reports-style. |
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![]() It weighs about 1.2x that of the Leaf, as best as I can piece together. Its Cd is 0.30, only a touch higher than the Leaf's 0.29. Frontal area should be (very) roughly comparable. Therefore I'd guess it would indeed have a greater range, as 41.8 kWh/24 kWh ~= 1.7.
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![]() yay tesla!!
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![]() sounds like a little shikataganai is coming, congrads
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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![]() Sounds like you've done a lot of research. What's the financial aspect look like? I assume it'll never really pay for itself, so the question would be how much do you have to pay to have the coolest toy on the block?
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Vehicle:08 Impreza,80Vette 68 Impala, 15 SantaFe |
![]() What is the range once the vehicle is loaded up with 5 passengers and cargo like any other SUV?
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![]() an electric SUV is the coolest toy on the block? yikes...
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Then those same people will hop in their V8 Yukon and get 12 MPG anytime they want to drive further than 15 miles from their house. But they won't care, because if you can drop $50K on a spare EV, you can afford to put gas in the Yukon. Granted some people do buy EVs and use them as their only vehicle, however I think those are in the minority compared to people buying one as a lifestyle car. Last edited by ocellaris; 05-08-2012 at 01:06 PM. |
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In any event, I find the renewed interest in EV's interesting and think it is a good thing. |
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My wife and I are ok with that level of outlay, and, most importantly, we are both psyched about the prospect. We will hang onto her Prius + my Zipcar membership for long trips, and only time will tell how much we rely on them as a crutch. I do know that when I didn't have a car of my own in 2008-2009 I used Zipcar for all of 22 hours in total over a 15 month period. |
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![]() I predict this will sell well to 2 car households with kids. One gas SUV, one electric SUV.
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In my household, at least, a bigger EV would make more sense. At least while I'm in Seattle I will most definitely not be in a car to commute, instead traveling the 12 miles to work astride my electric bike or seated on a bus. Parking and traffic are expensive and a bitch, respectively, regardless of one's vehicle's source of propulsion. Therefore my wife would be the main driver, and with kids in our future plans her vehicle would have to be capable of both carting her to work and dropping the future offspring off at school (as per the stereotype above). ![]() |
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![]() Feds have been subsidizing energy and transportation for over 100 years, and you're just now realizing this? ![]() |
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![]() Regular RAV and $25,000 in gas, or electric RAV with 100 mile range? Hmmmm......
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EV $50k = 41.8 = k$1.19/kWh $35k = 24 = k$1.45/kWh PHEV $40K = 16 = k$2.5 $35K=4.8 = k$7.3 In other words it isn't so outlandish. I actually agree that this is more like a vehicle I would want, but I want a PHEV at the moment. By the time I get around to a new vehicle though perhaps an EV like this will be more worthwhile. |
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![]() I always find it amusing that people on a car forum complain that EVs don't pay for themselves. Why didn't you just buy a base model Legacy instead of that EVO? It saves a ton on gas, the interior is way nicer, it's quieter, plus maintenance is much cheaper. You'd have to be a damn fool to pay more for a smaller car that gets worse gas mileage!
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![]() That's true but a simple car and a performance car are no the same thing. One offers far more fun. Sure I will agree that passion is usually the reason we buy one car over another. But it would seem there is no real reason to buy an Electric RAV 4 when a gas powered one will perform identically and cost half as much. It's like your choosing to pay twice as much for the same or really less performance. You can drive a regular rav 4 across the country.
Still it's your money and if electric vehicles get you off and make you smile then plug in and smile! I love to drive a 42 year old car with triple weber carbs! |
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