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12-11-2008, 12:19 PM | #1 | |
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12-11-2008, 12:22 PM | #2 | |
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12-11-2008, 12:23 PM | #3 |
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Lets see, overly priced cars, boring body styles, the cobalt, bad gas consumption, close to no resale value and they seem surprised that all of this is happening?
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12-11-2008, 12:27 PM | #4 |
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didnt dissapoint me. its hard to get dissapointed when you already have such low expectations in a company.
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12-11-2008, 12:36 PM | #5 |
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whats up with another round of bashing?... the new caddilac line-up is not disappointing (especially CTS) at all. The new Pontiac G8 looks very promising. Cobalt-SS outperforms any other sport compacts in its segment.
Obviously GM has a lot more to improve, especially in their Buick brand IMHO, but I think they have done a wonderful job in the past year or two when compared to what Subaru has done to their lineup - less than inspiring looks and same old engine and drivetrains from the last decade. I really hope Americans will give GM another chance and put its bad reputation from the 90s behind them. This is like bashing the Chinese for their economy in 2008 when their economy has grown more than we did. |
12-11-2008, 12:56 PM | #6 | |
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12-11-2008, 01:49 PM | #7 | |
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If GM sticks around and continues to sell these quality vehicles, and improve upon them, I can easily see myself in one in a few years. The last one I test drove was a Cobalt SS, and I was *very* impressed with the car. I wouldn't think twice about purchasing it over *any* similarly priced imported sport compact. Hell, I even considered trading my STi in on one. It goes just as fast and I get 100k mile powertrain warranty? Where do I sign up? Last edited by Mykl; 12-11-2008 at 01:58 PM. |
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12-11-2008, 01:56 PM | #8 |
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12-11-2008, 02:00 PM | #9 |
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It's sorta funny,We want their small miser cars and they want our Big soft/floaty guzzlers |
12-11-2008, 02:02 PM | #10 | |
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You mentioned the Malibu, Cobalt SS and CTS. I will see you those and raise you the Base model Cobalt Aveo HHR Impala All ugly, all old looking from day one. You want to talk trucks, okay, the trailblazer and equinox are but ugly, and look like they were built in the 90's. ...if GM, Ford, and Chrylser want my business, they have to earn it. Not just today, but for 20 years to come. They have to prove to me they have a vision of producing the best cars in the world, not just the most profitable. They spat on the US customer for darn near 20 years and now they expect us to say , "All is forgiven, here is my money". Nope. I want then to fell the pain of their own actions and reel in it. Agonize over what the greed did to them. Then after years of improvements, I may consider one of their products. |
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12-11-2008, 02:07 PM | #11 |
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i ll agree that I like the g8 (commodore) the cts v and umm thats about it for now. i would drive those though. but like 2 or 3% of their cars are cool. the rest are not.
also the g8 is Australian regardless if gm owns them or not pontiac did not come up with that car. |
12-11-2008, 02:08 PM | #12 | |
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When the domestic companies figure this out, they'll be far better for it. Because their up-model cars are all very good and very nice. It's just that they're lacking in the small car department. The base Caliber, Focus, Aveo, and Cobalt are all pretty "meh." Nobody *wants* to own those cars. |
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12-11-2008, 02:12 PM | #13 |
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It will take time/years to prove themselves again to the people. Either way, its too late for GM. The bailout saved them for the meantime. However, GM will still file for bankruptcy. Its a just a matter of time.
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12-11-2008, 02:36 PM | #14 |
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still my opinion that they stretch themselves and their designs too thin, and that is what people are beginning to see yet again..Steering wheel designs from an Escalade showing up on a Cobalt, odds and ends that are just too familiar from car to car, and just make the cars wreak of cost-cutting and being cheap. I think this is more what people are associating with lackluster quality, rather than the actual quality of the cars they are putting out.
I'm not against sharing platforms, but they make it too obvious, and that's my only beef with them, and I perceive it as lackluster quality and effort and almost sheer laziness from the company in general(even though they may be put together really well). If they want to share platforms, make the car something completely different in character/purpose where even a complete automotive dunce won't look at the two cars and be able to tell that they share most of their parts, even though they have different badges in front. This likely comes down to the fact that GM just seem to have 'brands'... Those brands however don't really have their own personalities..Their brands should be distinct to the point that they do not have a leg to whine to management for their own version of the SAME car. I like to think that the automotive consumer these days isn't so stupid that they can't see through it from a mile away. Perhaps that is because they are sharing the same cars with different badges in front again.. One more example.. Everyone loves the Corvette.. However, would we love it the same way if there was a Pontiac version, Buick version, GMC version, Saturn version,Hummer version, [insert other GM brand here] of the same corvette with a different badge in front but pretty much the same silhouette? I don't think so... Another example... I don't think in this universe we would see Mini's version of the BMW M3.. In GM's universe however, anything is possible if the dealer cry enough for one! Again, make each brand so distinct that they stand on their own (even though owned by GM. I guess the problem with General Motors at the end of the day is that they are just too general... |
12-11-2008, 02:57 PM | #15 |
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12-11-2008, 03:03 PM | #16 |
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It's funny to see a new Honda owner say that. I've heard plenty of lovely things about the most recent batch of Civics. Apparently you guys aren't even forced to wait 100k miles before stuff starts to fail. Good on you.
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12-11-2008, 03:04 PM | #17 |
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Actually the Caddie was a flop in Europe - two reasons too damn big - and milege that even made SUV's look Green. I haven't laughed so hard in my life when I stumbled onto a Caddie dealer in old town San Sebastian. The dealer only had enough floor space for two cars. That and if you bought one - there wasn't hardly a parking spot in the entire city you could fit it.
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12-11-2008, 03:06 PM | #18 |
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12-11-2008, 03:10 PM | #19 |
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The big 3 can't go bankrupt fast enough. It's their only hope.
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12-11-2008, 03:10 PM | #20 |
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I get my information from Honda owners themselves on their own forums.
But I could say the same to you, being an import enthusiast. Your anti-domestic vehicle "hateration" is so cliche that I can literally envision there being a sheep on the other end of that screen name. Give it up, domestic vehicles are no less reliable than their import competitors. Not anymore, anyway. |
12-11-2008, 03:20 PM | #21 | |
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12-11-2008, 03:23 PM | #22 |
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Don't care, too little too late.
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12-11-2008, 03:32 PM | #23 | |
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Lol, aren't civics manufactured mostly in the US today anyway? And now how does that define 'import' to you. Oh and enjoy having the number 1 stolen/vandalised/highest insured car in the US. And just for being just another tool |
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12-11-2008, 03:59 PM | #24 | |
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Number 1 Insurance $/ Stolen??? I think Evo's and Sti's hold that honor, but m'K. Hey, my other car is a Prius. I am a "SUPER TOOL" :lol |
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so how much of the bailout money did they use for this advertising?
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