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12-25-2008, 01:46 PM | #1 |
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Official 2.0 Big Turbo log (600+ CFM)
I know that in the past we've had a few random 'big turbo 2.0' threads, but after searching I can't find much of substance. So I'm starting this Official thread, and if anyone finds some of the past threads, I will gladly put a link to them in this post. We close threads like this often saying 'Search N00b! ' but after my own searchage, I realized that maybe that's not so helpful as it could be, so here it is .
I know 600CFM is not exactly massive, but it's a good starting point on the little baby 2.0. EJ207s are MORE than welcome here. It would be blaspheme to keep out the best 2.0 Subaru has to offer (if not to us here in Amurrica ). 1. Exact motor 2. Internal work, if any 3. If you post numbers, please include a graph if possible. And since I'm a number-nazi, also post the type of dyno, the fuel used, and the elevation. Do NOT just come in and say 'My FP Green makes 734whp' or your post WILL be edited/deleted . I'm sick of seeing misleading whp numbers with no reference point to make an accurate comparison. 4. If possible, post up at LEAST trap speeds in the 1/4 mile if you have any, as it's probably the most accurate way to gauge real power. 5. Also, if possible, post your impressions of your current setup vs. anything smaller, so people have an idea what to expect in terms of driveability, etc... Oh, and Merry Christmas Brandon Todd (GeneralTJI)'s rotated Holset build. A cool guy with a badass build http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1644137
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12-25-2008, 04:11 PM | #2 |
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TD06-h 20G's welcome here?
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12-25-2008, 04:20 PM | #3 |
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They flow more than 600, so absotively
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12-25-2008, 04:43 PM | #4 |
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ill be posting my dyno within a week, hopefully this thread will kick off with some good info f0r the ej205
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12-25-2008, 05:06 PM | #5 |
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yeah
cool man they closed the other thread but this is the info i was wanting
im curious as its not been stated what are guys putting down today irl thanks for this thread now post it up. i dont have the turbo but i wanna see what the future holds and which direction to go if you dont ahve the graph atleast let us know at what rpm your spooling as this is something im curious about and what mods have helped and hindered performance in your particular setup |
12-25-2008, 07:00 PM | #6 |
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stock 2.0 liter ej205 APS SR40 Turbo XS FMIC Cusco Headers Non-wrapped Turbo XS full 4"DP & full 3" exhaust Grimmspeed EWG UP, Tial 38mm WG Perrin fuel rails, PE 650's UTEC blah, blah, blah Dyno graph listed below was pre-EWG, w/ a pre-turbo exhaust leak, and before switching to a SD tune I did. 1. Completely stock EJ205 2. None 3. Run was made on VP MS109 with a peak of 21psi, dyno is a Dynocom (Stock STI's dyno 220-230whp here), Not too sure about elevation here in SFL but pretty sure it's damn close to sea level. 355whp/315wtq. Sorry in advance for the crappy san. I tried to contrast it better Maybe you can see betther here: According to my logs, full boost (18psi) is achieved @ 4300 rpm depsite what the graphs look like. 4. Never taken it to the track 5. Can't really compare to anything else since my car sat for about 2 years and it's been a loooong time since I've had the stock TD04. Last edited by Rodwrx23; 12-29-2008 at 03:31 PM. |
12-25-2008, 08:39 PM | #7 |
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This thread will def. help me with my choice for a turbo upgrade
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12-26-2008, 05:17 AM | #8 |
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This was my old setup:
-Stock Ej205 Block/heads -Fpgreen 2.4inlet 7cm oil cooled running 23psi on Pump Gas. no meth. -Spec C intake manifold -GtSpec Unequal length header and up pipe (3-bolt) -3 inch Turbo back (perrin dp and blitz nur spec) -5spd at the time. -And 94 oct pump. -360whp and 308tq -Mustang dyno (PIA in Tacoma,Wa) -Tuned my Master2192 RIP. I had an gasket leak pre turbo on my dyno pulls so didnt make the best torque. Here is my old Proven Power Bragging thread,a couple videos and my dyno chart: My old thread Sean made for me: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...t=fpgreen+2.0l A couple videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnYucydtY9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nITUgqyMeY4 Lag due to leaky gasket. Last edited by wrxwagon253; 01-01-2009 at 03:28 AM. |
12-26-2008, 05:44 AM | #9 |
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thanks ..appreciate it
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12-26-2008, 12:24 PM | #10 |
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Okay, I'm curious to see to see what people have and what they are putting down....subscribed.
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12-26-2008, 12:54 PM | #11 |
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has anyone blown up their ej205 w/ a big turbo on here lately??
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12-26-2008, 05:59 PM | #12 |
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this thread will help greatly. thanks audiosavvy
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12-26-2008, 06:47 PM | #13 |
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Going to be putting a Deadbolt Super 16g in sometime in Jan, flows 585cfm so I'm a bit short but I might post up dyno logs anyway.
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12-26-2008, 07:39 PM | #14 |
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Well I have a slowboy gt11 setup on my 02 wrx. I only took it to the track once after I road tuned it myself on delta. Didnt want to launch it so I just acted like I was driving away from a stoplight.......had a 2.7 60 ft with a 13.5 at 110. Turbo is amazing on the top end and not too much lag for how big it is
Stock ej205 block and heads Perrin inlet/ Blitz sus intake RC 750 Warlboro 255 Perrin Fuel Rails 1 stage colder iridium plugs utec delta ems tuned to 15lbs (yeah only 15lbs for back then) Coolmist meth kit at 25/75 Sti TMIC SlowBoy GT11 |
12-27-2008, 12:56 AM | #15 |
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Stock Block Stock Trans Stock Clutch Modded Stock injectors Walbro Perrin Rails Home made dual stage meth kit GT3076 .63 Perrin Kit 24psi boost. I asked for 350 whp and thats what i got. We just stopped at that. I didn't try to go for glory so some will post graphs with more HP, but understand i asked for the whp and i got it, little different then it usually goes. * Yellow line is a PE1820 turbo CRAP POS * Totaly loved the setup, i wouldnt run anything smaller on the 2.0 then a FP Green. Car had TD04 18G VF39 PE1820 3076r In that order. |
12-27-2008, 02:18 AM | #16 |
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I'm impressed. How many miles on your stock engine and gearbox? |
12-27-2008, 02:33 AM | #17 |
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12-27-2008, 02:59 AM | #18 |
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Stock long block 6 speed 50/50 meth/water SSAC FMIC TGV deletes Header back exhaust Modded WRX injectors Bunch of other stuff The turbo was an 8cm 18g. 610 cfm 1. Bone stock ej205 2. No internal work 3. I put down just over 300 whp and 275 ft lbs on 92 octane. Altitude was pretty close to sea level, don't know the exact level. This was a stock calibration Mustang, and a very low reading dyno. A stock STI put down 235 whp, stage 2 put down around 260 whp, my protuned stage 2 WRX put down 203whp, and a 7cm 18g without meth put down 270 whp a few days before me. Full boost was right at 4k, made power all the way to redline. Pretty conservative tune. Peak boost was 19psi. 4. Sorry, never been to the track. 5. Anyone who says anything about lag hasn't driven a bigger turbo for any extended period of time. Boost threshhold and lag are very different things. If I punch it at 2k rpms obviously it takes a couple of seconds to make much in the way of power. However, if I'm at 4 grand and I punch it there is very little delay to full boost. Anyone who says that they're small turbo will whoop a bigger turbo because of lag doesn't know how to drive a big turbo right, IMO. If you aren't making power it means you're at the wrong RPM and need to shift. Maybe if we're both in 4th gear and do a 30mph pull you'll beat me to about 45, but if I shift to second buhbye. I went from stage 2 to this and honestly it wasn't much of a change. Cruising on the freeway and driving around town isn't bad at all. I make enough torque between 2k and 3k to make everything easy. I get great gas mileage. When I want power it's there in a big way, but for the most part it's like stock. I daily drive this car, and have for the last 10k miles with the 18g. I love it now more than ever. I've even been driving it in some serious snow lately and it's done better than I could've ever hoped. |
12-27-2008, 04:30 AM | #19 | |
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this was my idea...he just closed my ej205 big turbo thread and made his neater Quote:
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12-27-2008, 04:37 AM | #20 |
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12-27-2008, 10:41 AM | #21 | |
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When i got the 18g i beat the living piss out the car but i had the oil changed every 2500 miles, since it was oil cooled only turbo. |
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12-27-2008, 11:12 AM | #22 |
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STOCK BLOCK / HEADS 05 STI drivetrain DW 850cc injectors Grimmspeed 38mm EWG uppipe with tial EWG. TGV deletes from Grimmspeed 8mm Phenolic Thermal Manifold Spacers from Grimmspeed 3" turboback Synic equal lengh headers ceramic coated. GM BCS ebay catch can MegaMAF 83mm intake Perrin 3" inlet SSAC fmic i think thats about it for motor mods.. picture of the turbo before installing it. turbo installed and ready.. yeah my engine bay is ugly. my new intake compared to the older cobb intake.. 83mm ftw!! This is my 2nd set up. i previously had a 18g but it just wasn't enough for me. gt series turbos sure do spool loud.. i haven't got the new setup dynoed yet but it's still in the working process. waiting on getting the correct injectors from a member in washington. heres my thread http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1661176 |
12-27-2008, 12:18 PM | #23 |
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Stock EJ205 w/ only minor porting/matching head side.
TXS UP/DP for EWG TXS TBE TXS FMIC TXS Intake Blouch TD05-20g GMS Turbo Inlet Tial 44mm EWG GMBCS Opensourced AEM meth kit 50/50 spray Gruppe-S Ceramic Coated Header Ported Intake Mani/TGVs/Throttle Body and Phelonic Spacers PPGs 1-4 SC PPG E cut-out (not installed during tune or video) Also just about every other bolt-on available. 2. Stock Internals 3. Sorry never scanned the graphs. But on TopSpeeds' Jet it ran 354 and 315tq was the final numbers. 93 pump with Snow's Boost Juice 50/50 Meth. This was a very conservative tune. I was afraid at the time to blow her up. My WB o2 sits at 10.9-11.2 with meth, only 19-20psi, and timing in the low 20s. Once the "Big MAF" goes on next week i will be, going for broke, running 24 psi 75% meth leaning it to 11.6. Then i will throw it on the local Mustang and post graphs then. 4. Only trap ever was at 109. Side note: Cutting up horribly at import face off (cold, elevation, maxed maf). Started getting cold and maxing out the MAF which lead knock on top end = pulled timing = slow time. I thought the car was going to assplode but i wanted one pass. 5. Honestly this is my 4th turbo (monster port td04, vf39, vf34) and by far the best all around turbo i've owned. Of course it's laggier than a 16g really when driving you're not really able to tell.....well except on the big end. Just move you shift point a couple hundred rpms you won't notice. You still have some boost in the lower to move you in traffic and 5-6 psi on a 20g is not the same as on your 04. Never heard a single person who drove my car complain. But, everybody loves to take rides in it. If you have the money to do your tranny right (ie. not RA's) get a bigger turbo you'll never regret it. The 205 is a lot stouter than it gets credit for. It takes a good amount of punishment. I have been over close to or over 300whp for over 2+ years 335+ for a year and few months. 40k+ miles of punishment and has yet to hiccup. Comes down to the tune. Wot Pulls Vid when it was warmer and the MAF wasn't being GHEY. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...002_202457.htm Last edited by Wrx_Fan_0717; 12-31-2008 at 02:41 PM. |
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Yea that's why i did the math for you.
KPH --> MPH x .621 |
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