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05-17-2013, 02:08 AM | #401 |
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05-17-2013, 10:26 AM | #403 |
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05-17-2013, 10:26 AM | #404 | |
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As I said before Hyundai needs to focus simply on making the existing Genesis Coupe a better car as it's not exactly selling like hot cakes. If they truly want a halo car then make a Korean version of a GTR, Supra or NSX but we are talking about the Genesis coupe here which is mediocre as it is in it's present state and needs a lot of handling upgrades in addition to engine to make it truly a halo car. |
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05-17-2013, 10:32 AM | #405 | |
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the 1993 model of that car was a beast.. 6 speed, LS motor. It was very fast in all its 80's plastic glory |
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05-17-2013, 11:08 AM | #406 |
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LS motor? You mean LT? I thought the LS engines didn't make their way into the Camaros until the fourth gens.
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05-17-2013, 11:31 AM | #407 |
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yeah, good catch, I know it was one of them...They are all the same thing anyway...
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05-17-2013, 12:05 PM | #408 |
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05-17-2013, 12:25 PM | #409 |
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LT - Home of the Optispark. One of GM's greatest design.
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05-17-2013, 01:37 PM | #410 |
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As long as GM keeps building cars at or over 4000lb, and with the dimensions of a Sherman tank, I really don't care how much horsepower they have, I don't want it.
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05-17-2013, 01:53 PM | #411 | |
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You seem to think a loss leader strategy is never used, It's the same strategy GM used with the Corvette... Honda used with the S2000... Maybe that's what Mitsubishi had in mind with the EVO, but they didn't offer anything else that was competitive, and quite honestly still don't... |
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05-17-2013, 02:40 PM | #412 | ||
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05-17-2013, 02:47 PM | #413 |
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the Vette is the only car GM has that is sold outright to the dealerships. Every single one rolling off the production line is already sold. The vette has always made GM money.. |
05-17-2013, 02:56 PM | #414 | |
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Top level, unoptioned Mustang GT (Premium): $35,000 Granted, the GC has a few more things stock-for-stock (Brembos, mostly, a $1695 option on the Mustang which gives a couple other track-oriented goodies as well), but that's a pretty small gulf in price for a large gulf in performance. You could have a fully-loaded V6 Mustang for not much more than the base price of the 3.8 Genesis and the V6 Mustang is no slouch at all despite being down a little bit on horsepower compared to the Genesis. Enter a V8 and we'd be talking about the upper $30k range base price and extremely stiff competition from the very capable Mustang... |
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05-17-2013, 04:20 PM | #415 |
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05-17-2013, 04:50 PM | #416 | |
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Genesis Coupe Track IS FULLY OPTIONED AS STANDARD. R-spec and Grand Touring are the lesser trim lines. You can't add much to a 3.8 Track coupe, because almost everything is already included, which is NOT the case on a 33K Mustang GT. An R-Spec 3.8 V6 with 350hp is the base V6 model, at 28,750$. Grand Touring is just over $30K. Track IS fully optioned, pretty much ALL of it as standard equipment. $33,895 is a 6-speed V6 Track, the top end of Genesis Coupe's line. A no-option Mustang GT V8 starts at 31,695$ (both cars with destination costs). The top end trim line of Mustang GT's listing, not counting Boss, or Shelby, is the GT-CS Premium, which STARTS at 37,790, without Brembos or Track package, that Genesis Track has. Adding the Track package, including brembos, deletes California Special (CS) package, but the track package is $2400+ added back on to the GT Premium, and comes to $38,250. A V6 Mustang starts just over 22K, but again, with no options, but V6 is the bottom. Genesis bottom is the 2.0T, the V6 starts above the bottom, just as Mustang GT starts above the bottom spec of the V6 Mustang. |
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05-17-2013, 05:02 PM | #417 | |
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05-17-2013, 05:17 PM | #418 |
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Nobody pays MSRP on Fords, pretty much everyone is eligible for a crazy amount of rebates. My dad paid something like 15k for a loaded new Ranger last year.
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05-17-2013, 05:32 PM | #419 |
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Genesis isn't selling tremendously well, I imagine there are incentives, as well.
But comparing oranges to oranges, rather than apples... MSRP is a mutual baseline for comparison. I am not trying to say Genesis is a better car. I am saying that Hyundai has targeted Mustang with Genesis coupe. They said and showed as much when they introduced it, and it is a closer comparison than the significantly heavier Camaro and Challenger, despite the american traditional nameplates being grouped together. Hyundai didn't put the naturally aspirated V6 below a very-high-strung 2.0T tune, and for a reason. I imagine that reason would similarly apply to 2015 Mustang's rumor of a 2.3T compared to V6. If 2.3T is more powerful than the V6, the V6 likely would not be equipped with direct injection, and the 2.3 EcoBoost engine would likely be highly strung to put out more horsepower, and likely cost more. It will suffer just like the SVO suffered in 1984-86. obviously higher cost and performance than the base I4 or V6, but the real damage was even higher cost than the base model GT V8, and the V8 offered similar performance with less complication. If the lawsuit about the inherent problems in the SHO's engine make people wary about a 2.3 liter super-high-output I4... I could see people still preferring either the more affordable but still respectable 300+ V6 drivetrain, or going for the traditional performance option, with the V8 5.0 Coyote drivetrain, and skipping the 2.3 EcoBoost, if they think it might be iffy, and if it is also nearly as expensive as a GT V8 anyway. |
05-17-2013, 06:18 PM | #420 | |
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That "new" Ranger must've been sitting on the lot for while, since they haven't been sold in NA since the 2011 MY. |
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05-17-2013, 06:48 PM | #421 | |
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I was talking about the original vette... GM did this originally to get customers and now it's a success... Hence my statement about Hyundai
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05-17-2013, 07:36 PM | #422 |
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05-17-2013, 07:51 PM | #423 | |
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Hyundai has made halo car concepts, but they are still several years away from playing in a market with the Corvette, GT-R, et al. |
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05-17-2013, 08:42 PM | #424 | |
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The people who "lol" are becoming fewer and fewer, Hyundai and Kia are playing a mean game of catch up, they may not be hitting hard in the premium segment, but they are killing it in the 25K and below. They caught Honda and Nissan slippin' and they are moving in on their turf. Each season, they creep closer and closer to the Civic quality, and they've already passed it as far as looks and value. The upper end models will get there too. |
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05-17-2013, 08:59 PM | #425 | |
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