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04-17-2013, 10:52 AM | #2926 | |
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Now, the manual levelers aren't useless.. the whole idea of the levelers is to adjust the lights for static load changes (not bumps, as you suggest). In other words, if you put 500lbs of equipment in the trunk of your car, the body will pitch upward and the headlights will throw the light into oncoming traffic. The manual leveler was not intended to be used while driving. Automatic levelers generally calibrate themselves to a level setting when they're first turned on and do not react to bumps in the road while driving. The arc of an HID and the filament of a halogen bulb differ in size so the lens (which has the job of focusing the light) is shaped differently depending on the type of lighting being used. HID bulbs may be passable in some reflector housings, but they aren't ideal. This is why I suggested going with HID projectors. Congrats on deciding to do the projector retrofit.
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04-17-2013, 11:31 AM | #2927 |
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I need 4.5" from the base of the stock reflector bowl to the back/inside of the clear headlight lens - I'm pretty sure I have that - looks to be about 6-7 inches of room.
What I'm a little worried about, but according to the helpful guys at TRS I shouldn't be, is they don't have a mounting plate for the H11 socket. I will have to align (twist) the projectors into perfect, horizontal alignment myself. This means mounting the headlights back in the car with the front lenses off and aligning/twisting both of the projectors together until they form a perfect horizontal cutoff. And then, making sure I've got a solid enough mounting setup so they don't decide to twist themselves out of alignment, requiring me to remove bumper, re-crack open/heat for disassembly. They ensured me it would not be an issue and Subarus are some of the friendliest vehicles to retrofit. Also, the stock HID headlights have a dark grey coloring to the mirrored plastic vs. the blob of straight mirrored plastic on the non-HID headlights (another reason the HID enclosures look so much better in person.) So, while I'm in there, I'll be spraying that and masking up some stuff. Should be an all-day ordeal, but I think well worth the effort in the end. I had to do all this on my '04 WRX & '05 LGT ('05 STi already had the grey plastic, but I removed the orange plastic piece.) So it's not hard, just takes time. Wife was like "You're doing what to our brand new car?" lol HID Reflector Halogen Reflector |
04-17-2013, 04:13 PM | #2928 |
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04-17-2013, 05:48 PM | #2929 | |
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Drove an XT Touring (no Eyesight) yesterday. - improved interior - quieter (but not luxury car quiet) - lots of power and some cool turbo noises - I believe the low-mid 6 second 0-60mph estimate - the CVT works great overall - simulated ratios in S/S# are nearly indistinguishable from a true automatic - the stability control comes on if you even think about cornering hard - handling is reasonably good but doesn't touch the CX-5 in my opinion - Forester feels substantial, but also heavy - the new H/K system sounds better than the older ones (like in the Legacy) - backseats are huge - I'm still not a huge fan of the front seats - there's just no thigh support A lot of vehicle for ~$32,000 |
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04-17-2013, 05:54 PM | #2930 | |
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See. A few people on here had said that when they were comparing to the 13 Foresters. I was interested because I hadn't driven anything that handled as well as a Forester. To me. We got a CX-5 in on trade and I was rubbing my hands together in excitement. I thrashed that thing pretty good and I just don't see it. Very uncomfortable to me inside and, to me, didn't feel near as surefooted at a Forester. And that was comparing to the 13. This new 14 is even better. Maybe I'll have to try again now that I have driven a XT on a small auto cross course. |
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04-17-2013, 06:05 PM | #2931 |
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The CX-5 interior isn't as comfortable - I agree. The new Forester also does feel surefooted and has lots of grip. But the chassis doesn't feel athletic like the Mazda. Very subjective, of course, but I prefer the overall feel of the CX-5 - the steering, braking, turn in, everything is just more natural and car-like.
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04-17-2013, 06:14 PM | #2932 |
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Though they are in similar classes, if not the same, the CX-5 and Forester share little in terms of their goals IMO. Take ground clearance alone. I think the the CX-5 is more streetable without trying to be any kind of off-roader at all. The Forester is a multi-role vehicle, in which a compromise must be made.
If I wanted a pure soccer mom SUV, it'd be a Bimmer, or a CX-5/9, Highlander type something. I wanted something I could get Western in if I had to / wanted to / will, but still have some kind of refinement and sound deadening for a comfortable daily driver on tarmac. I don't the think CX-5 is pretending to be that capable offroad. It is also quite a bit smaller than the Forester, and thus, will handle like a smaller vehicle. The suspension travel requirement alone on the Forester will change the handling from the CX-5. Both have different purposes. I think the XT has been tuned a little more for the street - stiffer suspension and 18's, but at it's core, it's still a Subaru. Last edited by Brahmzy; 04-17-2013 at 06:35 PM. |
04-17-2013, 06:29 PM | #2933 |
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No doubt the Forester is more versatile and capable off road. The CX-5 is much more of a typical crossover in that its intended use is 90% paved roads and the occasional light off road excursion.
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04-17-2013, 08:44 PM | #2934 |
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No official SOA fording depth stat for the Forester, no care.
(I read speculation that it's only good to the lower edge of the door sills, rendering the promo photo shoot stream crossing technically impermissible.) |
04-18-2013, 01:57 AM | #2935 |
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04-18-2013, 02:43 AM | #2936 |
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Pretty sure crossovers are built to stay on tarmac but fulfill the typical American's idiotic desire for an SUV.
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04-18-2013, 04:45 AM | #2937 | |
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Edit: One thing I have yet to hear about from Subaru owners (I've heard plenty from other manufacturers) is how the power rear liftgate operates when there's a bunch of snow on top of your car like after a snowstorm or such. I'm curious as to how the motor works when lifting up the liftgate and how it fairs compacting the snow on the roof between the spoiler. Last edited by A W; 04-18-2013 at 06:38 AM. |
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04-18-2013, 07:44 AM | #2938 | |
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Yes, I know there were "crossovers" before Subaru, but Subaru is pretty much credited with the "current" craze for them when they started building the Legacy Outback. And Subaru builds them TO go offroad. THAT, to me, is what separates Subaru from many SUVs. |
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04-18-2013, 08:14 AM | #2939 | |
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CUVs are popular all over the world, BTW.. not just in the US. An "off-road" course or roller ramps at a training are not "off-road". There aren't any Subarus that could make it over a log blocking an out-of-service logging road, they certainly aren't going 'off-road' like a trail-rated Jeep. |
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04-18-2013, 08:32 AM | #2940 | |
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Guess that depends on what you call "off road" then. And the definition of a "log" I have traversed several downed trees on some Arkansas mountain roads in my Baja which doesn't have the ground clearance of an Outback, Forester, or Crosstrek. I know what they can and cannot do on and "off" road. Remember, I have never owned anything but a Subaru. And I will never compare "off road" capabilities to a Wrangler/Grand Cherokee. The others I would since I don't consider them "Jeeps". |
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04-18-2013, 08:46 AM | #2941 | |
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04-18-2013, 08:50 AM | #2942 |
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Ugh. You know what I was talking about. Let me rephrase. Subaru is one of the most capable vehicles to take off the paved road to go explore. Jeep is probably the ONLY car that is going to even attempt what you are talking about without severe modifications, which can be done to a Subaru. And you should have seen this one "road" I was referring to. It was blocked off my a mound of dirt that I was able to get over and I felt like I was riding a camel all the way up. Wish I was as good as some of ya'll to find a proper clip of a camel rider to post. |
04-18-2013, 08:54 AM | #2943 |
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Considering Subaru has only ever had one model with a front diff that even has an LSD.. and it is purely an on-road car.. I'm going to strongly disagree with your opinion.
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04-18-2013, 08:55 AM | #2944 |
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OH OH OH. And let me just say this. Now that you have me reminiscing. A Jeep Grand Cherokee could NOT have made it up this "road" I was talking about. Too wide. I had some frustrating marks down the side of my Baja after that climb and decent.
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04-18-2013, 08:56 AM | #2945 |
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04-18-2013, 09:00 AM | #2946 | |
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Now. You get all tiffy when someone disagrees with your knowledge of driving when it comes to road racing a car. I ask you. How often have you attempted to take a Subaru off a paved road TO explore? I have done it here and in Japan going back to 1990. They are extremely capable cars. I'll reference Top Gear for just a BIT of that capability. |
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04-18-2013, 09:02 AM | #2947 |
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04-18-2013, 09:04 AM | #2948 |
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04-18-2013, 09:13 AM | #2949 |
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LOL, the FXT is technically the wife's new baby rig, but we're KEEPING the JEEP it was supposed to replace. That old ass JEEP has proven her worth time and time again OFF ROAD, and no this new FXT would not be expected to do some of the things we've done in that thing. It would break.
We were going to buy a new 4 door something Jeep to replace it, but just couldn't get over the mpgs over the next 10 years, no turbo, and didn't wanna fork $50K for the diesel Grand. Would've entertained the new Cherokee until we saw the pics. |
04-18-2013, 09:15 AM | #2950 | |
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I actually like that a lot!! VERY departed from what they have done styling wise. |
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