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10-06-2012, 08:01 AM | #9951 |
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They are really different lifts with different stimuli. Each one has it's own uses and advantages. Sometimes programming specifically includes both.
I disagree with ETD. I think a low bar back squat recruits far more involvement of the hamstrings, which is why if all out highest amount of weight lifted is the goal (competitive powerlifting), then in most people a LBBS will allow you to lift more weight when compared to a HBBS in the same lifter. During a HBBS the bottom position tends to be higher than in a LBBS (just below parallel as opposed to rock bottom, hamstrings on calves, ass an inch from the floor. However the HBBS does have far more translation into the olympic lifts which is why it's called the "olympic squat". The upright torso and deeper bottom position closely mimic the posture necessary to achieve a successful catch with significant weight in the snatch or clean. The technique is also different, with a much faster eccentric phase. A powerlifter doing LBBS will often use a much slower drop down to barely below parallel before exploding up. During an olympic squat, the lifter will often "dive bomb" down to the bottom position much faster, utilize the "bounce" at rock bottom to help them through the sticking point on the way back up. Both are 800lb squats: Low bar: High bar: Really different lifts. Sorry bout the dissertation, but I really like to geek out on this stuff.
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10-06-2012, 08:17 AM | #9952 |
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As we discussed, I do not want you to put a plate under your heels. You absolutely do not need it, it's a waste of time, and simply put, stupid. You are majoring in the minors. Your form is good enough right now, although you could use a few tweaks, the biggest tweak you need is to lift fork to mouth.
As usual, Tim K's advice is pretty good. Plate under the heels are retarded. I'll double your fees if I catch you doing that. |
10-06-2012, 08:18 AM | #9953 | |
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Oly squats recruit more of the quads. Powerlifting squats more of the posterior chain. Oly squats are fast. Powerlifting squats are generally slower. Learning to drive through the heel can easily be done by telling the lifter to sit back, and try to pick-up/wriggle their toes as come back up. If you're also spreading the floor with your feet and forcing your knees out, the heel drive about takes care of itself. Last edited by Tim K.; 10-06-2012 at 08:26 AM. |
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10-06-2012, 08:23 AM | #9954 |
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Only time I've seen the 2.5 plates to be helpful is in a guy where his ankle flexibility is holding him back from being comfortable in the very deep bottom position of the olympic squat. Getting the heels up off the ground allows you to have a less acute angle between the tibia and the foot at the bottom.
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10-06-2012, 08:28 AM | #9955 | |
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10-06-2012, 01:15 PM | #9958 | |
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As I said in the other post, I don't personally put plates under my heels but have seen plenty of people that are new at squatting, be helped by the plates. I understand what is being said about coaching someone to drive through their heels, but without someone being there to actively coach him, it could be a quick fix. With that said, I agree 100% about being able to wiggle your toes in the bottom position. I've made several posts about that in this thread. I like to take it a step further and have someone hold a 10lb plate in front of them when performing a bodyweight squat. Pause at the bot, be able to wiggle to toes, and keep the torso up. I figured fetus would ask 1836720 questions if I advised him to do that, rather than shutting up and trying it. It works really well for the deadlifts, clean, snatch and gets people to actually get their ass down and torso upright. I agree that his squat form is pretty good, but since he was posting it for critique, my preference would be to get that bar higher on the traps and have the torso more upright. Thy may simply be a bias because I like the Olympic lifts and because I have a bad lower back. |
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10-06-2012, 01:21 PM | #9959 |
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I think fetus should stick to asking Chris form questions. He's training him, so he should tell him wtf to do. Other people give their opinion and it may not be what Chris has in mind for him and it turns into a **** show.
Just listen to Chris. You can't take 10 different pieces of advice, from people with vastly different techniques and try to apply it. Jmo Now go eat a sandwich lol |
10-06-2012, 01:36 PM | #9960 |
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So I have taken 2 weeks off thanks to my back and still have some soreness. I am going to try to find an ortho next week. Or I'll drive down to WV and have bacdoc fix me.
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10-06-2012, 03:05 PM | #9961 |
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It is so nice having a slight calorie surplus, tons more energy
SOHP WU 1 x 5 @ 80 WU 1 x 5 @ 100 WU 1 x 3 @ 120 1 x 5 @ 130 1 x 5 @ 160 (Should have been 150...I'm an idiot) 1 x 5 @ 170 1x1 @ 175 1x1 @ 180 1x1 @ 185 3x10 @ 120 bw +45lbs x 5 pullups bw +40lbs x 3 pullups bw +35lbs x 5 pullups I'm late to the party and my squat form really isnt the best, but you didn't look bad to me Fetus. |
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10-06-2012, 05:22 PM | #9963 | |
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10-06-2012, 07:00 PM | #9964 |
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I need to do some conditioning and would like to lose some weight. To do so, I'm joining a crossfit gym and will probably go 2-3 times a week. I found one I like with a schedule that works for me.
Does this mean I'm out of the cool kids club? Will I be mocked? |
10-06-2012, 07:13 PM | #9965 | |
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10-06-2012, 07:35 PM | #9966 | |
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On a side note, my latest "impulse buy" arrived. VITAMIX. Chicken shakes here I come.. |
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10-06-2012, 08:06 PM | #9969 |
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Cf? Dyel?
Speaking of cf, are muscleups usually done on rings or a pullup bar? Did a few both ways messing around the other night and they were pretty hard on a bar but pretty easy on rings. Wondering how they're usually done (cf style). |
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Haha. But homosexuality seems so much easier than dieting!
Glad to know the mocking won't stop. |
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Nice baller blender Dave! :shiver: chicken shakes...
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10-06-2012, 08:32 PM | #9973 | |
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Monday starts my 17 week progress to get to my ultimate goal. Low bf. That is also the date of my brothers wedding. I've relaxed my diet / training since August. I haven't gained any weight, surprised since I've been eating whatever and drinking a ton of homebrew. Time to get back in the groove and kill it. 25 ish lbs to lose, very very doable. I'll prob get there after a few months, but we have Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, my 30th bday, and I want to enjoy those fun times with a lot of beer.
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