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11-15-2006, 07:36 AM | #1 | |
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"In Japan, a Lexus just doesn't have that cachet" (LA Times)
"In Japan, a Lexus just doesn't have that cachet" (LA Times)
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11-15-2006, 08:35 AM | #2 |
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At least Lexus has somewhat moved away from just upgrading and re-badging Toyotas but I have to agree with the Japanese on this one.
I will never own a Lexus. Acura is another story with some of their cars (NSX and the old ITR are the best examples), and at least Infinity has the G35 sedan. It is representative of the typical American way of thinking when my buddy was actually upset that his TSX was an Accord in Ireland and everyone had them. Now, I just say "nice Accord" when I see him. -Mike. |
11-15-2006, 10:29 AM | #3 |
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when japanese ppl think lux they think something not made in japan or by japanese thats just how they were mentally build unless lexus put a badge says build in germany designed by germans i dont think that will ever change |
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I think it's sad, because Lexus makes excellent cars with excellent build quality, cutting edge technology, and top notch interior materials equvialent to of better than the Euros.
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11-15-2006, 12:24 PM | #5 |
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Looks like ‘hate domestic’ syndrome is common among luxury car buyers world wide except in Europe
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11-15-2006, 02:14 PM | #6 |
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but werent all former JDM lexus' just toyotas? like how the GS300 was the toyota aristo in japan?
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11-15-2006, 02:21 PM | #7 | |
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11-15-2006, 02:23 PM | #8 |
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My girlfriend is a tokyo native and has been living there up til 2003 and she disagrees with this, saying that among regular tokyo citizens, the Lexus brand name does carry some weight and prestige, definitely not on the level of the german imports but still regarded more highly than just rebranded toyotas. Anyways thats what she says and she's a bit of a car enthusiast herself.
Incidentally, while there are RHD models of some german makes avail, buying a LHD version carries a LOT more prestige because it screams 'look how much i paid to drive a fancy imported german car with the steering wheel on the wrong side!'. Ed |
11-15-2006, 07:39 PM | #9 |
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That's something i don't get at all. In Japan u get the choice of buying LHD or RHD for ur AMG Merc and Porsche etc....here is the thing....if you spend want a powerful car u probably want to over pass people often...however if u have a LHD in a RHD country...u can't really see to pass...unless ur on the motorway.... |
11-15-2006, 07:39 PM | #10 | |
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BTW, Lexus is far from rebadged Toyotas these days. The ES is a reskinned Camry, but the rest of the line is far different. The LS, GS, and IS are all RWD or AWD. Toyota doesn't make a single car that isn't FWD in some form or another. The SUVs are far closer to Toyotas than the cars. ~~Quentin |
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11-16-2006, 10:46 PM | #11 | |
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I think Toyota would argue that the Camry is more of a detuned Lexus ES than the other way around. The Lexus LX470 is by far the most similar Lexus to any Toyota with the air suspension being the only difference from the Land Cruiser. The GX470 is based on the Land Cruiser Prado which is not sold as a Toyota in the US, but the chassis is sold here under the 4Runner, Tacoma and the FJ Cruiser. The RX350 is sold in Japan as the Toyota Harrier but shares parts with the Toyota Highlander here. |
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11-17-2006, 02:01 AM | #12 | |
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Of course Japanese want to pass, but they're almost always in a traffic jam. Therefore a luxury car is most of all just to show off. |
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11-17-2006, 02:35 AM | #13 |
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in europe, many benz' and bmw's are taxis, so of course in japan a lexus is just a toyota. luxury always means import, because its no good if its from your own country
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11-17-2006, 02:47 AM | #14 | |
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In Europe no US car is considered as a luxury show off car. Since a few years only Lexus is accepted as a "new" luxury car on the market the owner can be proud of. |
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11-22-2006, 09:03 PM | #15 |
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11-22-2006, 09:17 PM | #16 | |
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That just threw your view of luxury in Europe right out the window. |
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Basically it comes down to exclusivity. Japanese cars just aren't very exclusive in Japan, just like American cars aren't very exclusive in America, and German cars aren't very exclusive in Germany. |
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11-22-2006, 10:06 PM | #18 | |
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I count 45... So he was exaggerating a little. How many countries did you think there are in Europe? |
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uh... doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the launch of lexus in japan wasn't gonna be a walk in the park... considering our LS's, GS's, etc. were rebadged jdm toyota's... now trying to do that in japan so late in the game is pointless... just be like nissan and keep one brand...
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11-23-2006, 01:22 PM | #20 |
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In England Mercedes is viewed nicely but BMW is just another piece of junk. They are everywhere and they are dirt cheap.
Top cars in England are: 1. Aston Martin 2. Old Rolls or Bentley 3. Lambo 4. Ferrari 5. Jaguar and Varients. 6. Mercedes 7. Maserati 8. Lotus ... way down the list. xxx. BMW xxx+1. Ford Cortina. |
11-23-2006, 02:49 PM | #21 |
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Yes, there's a big market difference between east and west europe. West is relatively rich with high amount of cars. East is relatively poor; since 1989 ( fall of Berlin wall) you see the new businessmen who want to show off with their car. In both markets, however, the three German luxury brands Mercedes, BMW and Audi are very popular to 'prove' you're rich.
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11-23-2006, 03:01 PM | #22 | ||
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Ummmm, American cars aren't even seen as luxury outside the US (sorry!). And the German cars are the exception here: they are seen as luxury cars in Germany. What's the alternative then? they say. Not French (never!), not UK (not reliable), not Italian (beautiful, but it already starts to rust in the brochure), not US (terrible corner handling), etc. Last edited by MTB-er; 11-23-2006 at 03:09 PM. |
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11-23-2006, 03:26 PM | #23 | |
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However, Turkey is considered as part of Asia, although there is a European part (with Istanbul, west of the Bosporus). |
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11-23-2006, 08:07 PM | #24 |
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11-23-2006, 08:39 PM | #25 |
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Yeah Toyota's not Lexus cost more. Every little, and most are very little dealership has a used BMW going for next to nothing on the used market. It is kind of like Jaguars over here in North America.
Sure there are some nice BMW's but most are just Dirt Cheap used cars. |
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