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Old 06-20-2013, 03:09 PM   #276
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Pssssst.

I don't think many (if any) have touched on the fact that 90% of 16-20 year olds can't even afford the gas and insurance on a WRX or STI... espcially since insuring this specific car at that age is crazy depending on where you live.

... and yes, I know some of you will say you can, and I don't have my doubts that YOU can. It's just most can't. I know I wouldn't have been able to.
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I see so many young kids whose parents bought them their car. Any thoughts on this ??
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Pssssst.

I don't think many (if any) have touched on the fact that 90% of 16-20 year olds can't even afford the gas and insurance on a WRX or STI... espcially since insuring this specific car at that age is crazy depending on where you live.

... and yes, I know some of you will say you can, and I don't have my doubts that YOU can. It's just most can't. I know I wouldn't have been able to.
Well maybe because its pretty irrelevant to the thread. Most people are getting off track with this thread. The quote above is from the op and as you can see it doesn't really say much other than post your thoughts on parents buying their kid an STI basically.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:27 PM   #278
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I'm going to buy every kid in my neighborhood an sti just to piss off all you cry babies, stop caring please.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:30 PM   #279
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I'm going to buy every kid in my neighborhood an sti just to piss off all you cry babies, stop caring please.
I need to move into your neighborhood. I'm still a child at heart.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:58 PM   #280
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As if your personal experience is anything indicative of the population as a whole.

This is bad parenting right here.

I'm sure this kid's parent thought he was a perfect little angel too - until he killed four of his friends while high in his STi.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/i...OsbMsH23VZxQqM
Yeah, whatever man. Yes, I'm a bad parent because I would allow my child to drive a fast car . I believe in educating my kid, and letting him make his own responsible choices ... not hiding him under a blanket.

That kid in the article is using drugs and driving ... the fact it was an STi is irrelevant. He could have been driving a Smart car and still killed people because he was under the influence.

I'm a police officer, so I think I'm a little more experienced in the consequences of bad behavior than our general population. I see way more people crashing SUV's than I do sports cars, and age is not a factor. In fact, I cannot think of one major accident I've been on that involved a teenage driver in a sports car. Does it happen? Of course it does, but let's stop pretending that kids are dropping like flies from driving fast cars.

You can crash and kill people in a Prius, or a Honda Fit ... it does not matter what your driving if you are doing risky behavior like using drugs or driving drunk. That behavior and driving fast cars have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:14 PM   #281
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I see way more people crashing SUV's than I do sports cars, and age is not a factor. In fact, I cannot think of one major accident I've been on that involved a teenage driver in a sports car.
An STi isn't a sports car, but that's not the point I want to make.

16 year olds are, in fact not fully grown in maturity. Do they care what their friends say? More than anything else. Will they take an unregistered car around the neighborhood because the cool, older kid egged him on? Yah, he will. Will he make bad decisions while driving? Absolutely. Does he have friends who have totalled 4 cars already and have had their license for less than a year? Uh huh. Even if they've started getting some HPDE type training starting with threshold braking and seeing the cornering limits of their car in controlled conditions, are they going to go do stupid things in their car? Yes, they are. Will all this be worse if they are in an STi, which the idiots in school will be drawn to like magnets? Yes. Will these idiots convince him to do stupid things because they make him feel more like he belongs? Yes. Will this happen even if he's a straight A student and has "earned" the right to a nice, powerful car? Yup.

Is it hard for a dad to have to make the decision to take the car away. Damn right it is.

Feel free to argue.....this is all first hand for me. I made up none of it.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:29 PM   #282
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That kid in the article is using drugs and driving ... the fact it was an STi is irrelevant. He could have been driving a Smart car and still killed people because he was under the influence.
I agree, even in a smart car a situation like that can end badly for a teenager. So why give them an STi?

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I see way more people crashing SUV's than I do sports cars, and age is not a factor. In fact, I cannot think of one major accident I've been on that involved a teenage driver in a sports car.
Availability is likely a factor though. There are more SUVs on the roads than sports cars. The fact that you haven't been on an accident involving a teen in a sporty car doesn't hold a whole lot of weight, it's easy to pull up large numbers of accidents from the net that did.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:02 PM   #283
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An STi isn't a sports car, but that's not the point I want to make.

16 year olds are, in fact not fully grown in maturity. Do they care what their friends say? More than anything else. Will they take an unregistered car around the neighborhood because the cool, older kid egged him on? Yah, he will. Will he make bad decisions while driving? Absolutely. Does he have friends who have totalled 4 cars already and have had their license for less than a year? Uh huh. Even if they've started getting some HPDE type training starting with threshold braking and seeing the cornering limits of their car in controlled conditions, are they going to go do stupid things in their car? Yes, they are. Will all this be worse if they are in an STi, which the idiots in school will be drawn to like magnets? Yes. Will these idiots convince him to do stupid things because they make him feel more like he belongs? Yes. Will this happen even if he's a straight A student and has "earned" the right to a nice, powerful car? Yup.

Is it hard for a dad to have to make the decision to take the car away. Damn right it is.

Feel free to argue.....this is all first hand for me. I made up none of it.
I'm not trying to argue, but I don't feel that letting a teenager drive a fun car is being a bad parent. I did it when I was a kid, and many of us seem to forget that stuff as we grow older ... we did the same crap.

Also, just giving my opinion that irresponsible behavior has no relevance to the type of vehicle one drives, and anyone who thinks they are protecting their kid by giving them the keys to a Prius instead of a WRX are fooling themselves. A kid that is going to do bad things will do them in whatever type of car they happen to have.

Regarding your story, I would take my kids car away also if he did that crap, but it would not matter if it was a 2012 STi or a 1980 Dodge Colt.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:55 PM   #284
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I'm not trying to argue, but I don't feel that letting a teenager drive a fun car is being a bad parent. I did it when I was a kid, and many of us seem to forget that stuff as we grow older ... we did the same crap.

Also, just giving my opinion that irresponsible behavior has no relevance to the type of vehicle one drives, and anyone who thinks they are protecting their kid by giving them the keys to a Prius instead of a WRX are fooling themselves. A kid that is going to do bad things will do them in whatever type of car they happen to have.

Regarding your story, I would take my kids car away also if he did that crap, but it would not matter if it was a 2012 STi or a 1980 Dodge Colt.


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Old 06-20-2013, 08:02 PM   #285
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Not even that....he may end up cruising though a stop sign and get hit while another guy is in his WRX. Happened to me. I asked the bike why he didn't stop at the stop sign s per law and he said he didn't want to unclip. Bikes complain about cars not respecting them while they cut through traffic when they should be held to the same standard as motorcycles as per law.
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:13 PM   #286
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I would never buy my kid this car. Slow car for my boys when they grow up.
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:53 AM   #287
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Not even that....he may end up cruising though a stop sign and get hit while another guy is in his WRX. Happened to me. I asked the bike why he didn't stop at the stop sign s per law and he said he didn't want to unclip. Bikes complain about cars not respecting them while they cut through traffic when they should be held to the same standard as motorcycles as per law.


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Old 06-21-2013, 03:50 PM   #288
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There we go.....I can dig it.
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:05 PM   #289
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Yeah, whatever man. Yes, I'm a bad parent because I would allow my child to drive a fast car . I believe in educating my kid, and letting him make his own responsible choices ... not hiding him under a blanket.

That kid in the article is using drugs and driving ... the fact it was an STi is irrelevant. He could have been driving a Smart car and still killed people because he was under the influence.

I'm a police officer, so I think I'm a little more experienced in the consequences of bad behavior than our general population. I see way more people crashing SUV's than I do sports cars, and age is not a factor. In fact, I cannot think of one major accident I've been on that involved a teenage driver in a sports car. Does it happen? Of course it does, but let's stop pretending that kids are dropping like flies from driving fast cars.

You can crash and kill people in a Prius, or a Honda Fit ... it does not matter what your driving if you are doing risky behavior like using drugs or driving drunk. That behavior and driving fast cars have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Please do not host any sort of teen/parent driving clinic in your town, this is just bad information.

Of course a kid can crash and kill people in a Prius. And on a bike, and a horse, and a big wheel, and a skateboard if he's trying hard enough. There is a HUGE difference in performance between an STi and a Prius/Corolla/Fit/whatever. The Fit or the Prius can't hit 80-100 mph by the end of the average onramp as easliy as the STi could. We all know this and the adults here know that a powerful car should only be handled by someone with the maturity to do so without endangering themselves and those around them. The young adult mind has not matured to the point that they can comprehend action/reaction well enough to make rational decisions.

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An STi isn't a sports car, but that's not the point I want to make.

16 year olds are, in fact not fully grown in maturity. Do they care what their friends say? More than anything else. Will they take an unregistered car around the neighborhood because the cool, older kid egged him on? Yah, he will. Will he make bad decisions while driving? Absolutely. Does he have friends who have totalled 4 cars already and have had their license for less than a year? Uh huh. Even if they've started getting some HPDE type training starting with threshold braking and seeing the cornering limits of their car in controlled conditions, are they going to go do stupid things in their car? Yes, they are. Will all this be worse if they are in an STi, which the idiots in school will be drawn to like magnets? Yes. Will these idiots convince him to do stupid things because they make him feel more like he belongs? Yes. Will this happen even if he's a straight A student and has "earned" the right to a nice, powerful car? Yup.

Is it hard for a dad to have to make the decision to take the car away. Damn right it is.

Feel free to argue.....this is all first hand for me. I made up none of it.
Thank you! Why do some people have such a hard time grasping this?
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:43 PM   #291
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who's to say a kid can't be paying for an sti them-self? I'm 20 and I work two jobs and I'm paying every penny for my car and the insurance
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:15 PM   #292
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who's to say a kid can't be paying for an sti them-self? I'm 20 and I work two jobs and I'm paying every penny for my car and the insurance
That's great for you but once again its irrelevant to the thread. All the op basically said is what are your thoughts on parents buying their kid a STI. People keep commenting like it said should a 16-18 year old own a sti. Then ur comment could be relevant. Also if it were other people have mentioned that doesn't mean anything unless your paying all of your own bills and live on your own. By the way im not being a hater im just saying if people are going to continue to post in this retarded thread at least stick to the op's question.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:16 PM   #293
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who's to say a kid can't be paying for an sti them-self? I'm 20 and I work two jobs and I'm paying every penny for my car and the insurance
Did you live on your own?

Pay your own gas/groceries and other bills?

Most kids who can "afford" an sti actually can't.
Mommy and daddy help them, even if its indirectly. I'd bet you'd fall under this category.
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who's to say a kid can't be paying for an sti them-self? I'm 20 and I work two jobs and I'm paying every penny for my car and the insurance
At 20, you're not a kid. You can vote, get married, join the service, get a license without permission, have a job.

My 16 yo makes $15 a week taking care of a neighbor's dog.

Car sold today. He sold his downhill bike to save to buy his future car by himself.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:18 AM   #295
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In answer to this I've got 2 things to consider...
(1) My current financial situation at the time I'd have to make that decision and
(2) My kid's past behavior as a risk (go/no-go) indicator.

I don't intend to just pick up the very same stone I'd hit my head with, IYKWIM.

It's the driver that causes accidents as cars cannot crash by themselves. But even if my kid has shown maturity, responsibility and discipline and I'm 'broke', he/she has to settle with my old beat-up WRX. Or maybe not, we'll see how things pan out in 10yrs or so.
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:26 AM   #296
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Turbocharged 300 HP engine? Check. Crappy gas mileage? Check. People always try to race you? Check. Sounds like a great car for someone with an inflated sense of invincibility and and an endless supply of poor judgment. Admit it, an STI is a terrible car for a teenager. An Impreza 2.5i is a much better choice, but some parents obviously don't get that.
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Never argue with an idiot... They will simply bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience...


As far as my answer to the OP... I personally would not buy my daughter a sti/wrx for her first car. Thankfully I have 11 more years until I will be dealing with her driving, but I know how I was with my first car ('89 delta 88 Oldsmabile ) I drove it fast, I took corners hard when driving with my friends, and I always wanted to know my 0-60.. got my first ticket at 17 speeding to get to work on what was technically my day off (hand-to-God) parents didn't even ground me but I had to pay and sit through traffic school. I was a good kid, never did drugs or drank, but I was raised at car shows and drag races from Pomona to Indianapolis.. So going fast is something I had always seen and always wanted to do.

Getting OT.. For most people I would say they gain the knowledge and experience to handle a 'faster-than-average' vehicle by their mid 20's.. Some people might have the more maturity and responsibility and can handle one sooner, and some people might never have it.

(p.s. if you're pre 20 and you're scrambling to fire back a response as to how mature you are... please wait 3-5 years and then tell me.. seriously though, I won't take you serious.. the fact you feel implicated to retort is evidence enough of your maturity level)
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Never argue with an idiot... They will simply bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience...

As far as my answer to the OP... I personally would not buy my daughter a sti/wrx for her first car. Thankfully I have 11 more years until I will be dealing with her driving, but I know how I was with my first car ('89 delta 88 Oldsmabile ) I drove it fast, I took corners hard when driving with my friends, and I always wanted to know my 0-60.. got my first ticket at 17 speeding to get to work on what was technically my day off (hand-to-God) parents didn't even ground me but I had to pay and sit through traffic school. I was a good kid, never did drugs or drank, but I was raised at car shows and drag races from Pomona to Indianapolis.. So going fast is something I had always seen and always wanted to do.

Getting OT.. For most people I would say they gain the knowledge and experience to handle a 'faster-than-average' vehicle by their mid 20's.. Some people might have the more maturity and responsibility and can handle one sooner, and some people might never have it.

(p.s. if you're pre 20 and you're scrambling to fire back a response as to how mature you are... please wait 3-5 years and then tell me.. seriously though, I won't take you serious.. the fact you feel implicated to retort is evidence enough of your maturity level)
My parents bought me an 06 2.5i as my first car and I think it has been great. The only downside I can really think of is that I have put a lot of money into stupid **** that could have been MUCH better used on a wrx. Bottom line I wouldn't call someone crazy if they bought their kid and early wrx hatch but if you buy them a new sedan with a huge spoiler and quad exhaust what do you expect to happen?
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Yeah, whatever man. Yes, I'm a bad parent because I would allow my child to drive a fast car . I believe in educating my kid, and letting him make his own responsible choices ... not hiding him under a blanket.
Bad parent? No. Irresponsible? Yeah.

You sound like every parent in the world though, other than jackffr.

"My little Johnny is the best, most responsible child in the world, he'd never do something reckless in his brand new 300 hp performance car!"

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That kid in the article is using drugs and driving ... the fact it was an STi is irrelevant. He could have been driving a Smart car and still killed people because he was under the influence.
The fact that he was driving an incredibly capable car made that incident much more worse than it could have been. I've had plenty of slow cars, you're kidding yourself if you think it isn't much easier to get into trouble with a high performance car than it is something lesser. My '07 Civic wouldn't even exceed 100 mph and my '93 Legacy felt like it was going to take off at anything over 85 mph.

To put it in perspective, the kid in the LI incident I quoted was thought to be doing 120ish mph.

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I'm a police officer, so I think I'm a little more experienced in the consequences of bad behavior than our general population. I see way more people crashing SUV's than I do sports cars, and age is not a factor.
The insurance statistics seem to disagree with you. There's a reason why teenagers are exorbitantly expensive to insure, no matter what they're driving. And it isn't because they're safe drivers.

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In fact, I cannot think of one major accident I've been on that involved a teenage driver in a sports car. Does it happen? Of course it does, but let's stop pretending that kids are dropping like flies from driving fast cars.
I don't think anyone is insinuating that, but that doesn't make fast, temperamental cars safe for n00blet drivers either.

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You can crash and kill people in a Prius, or a Honda Fit ... it does not matter what your driving if you are doing risky behavior like using drugs or driving drunk. That behavior and driving fast cars have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
It's a bit like saying you can't kill someone with a handgun as opposed to an AR-15. Sure, you can. But the AR-15 is much more efficient and deadlier in the process. You can kill yourself with a bicycle or a moped, that really isn't the point.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:55 PM   #300
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I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in here I'm 20 years old and I own a 2003 WRX wagon not the fastest car in the world but quick enough that if you drive like an idiot you can end up hurting yourself. However, it wasn't my first car. I owned an 04 Scion xB and then an 02 Mini Cooper, both of which were pretty slow cars. My parents do help me with insurance because I'm going to school right now but everything else that has to do with my car I pay for, gas included. I'm extremely thankful that my parents do that for me. And yes I did pay for the car myself.
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