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Old 03-30-2003, 02:11 PM   #1
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Cool tein wagon coilovers installed on sedan. what do you think?

check out the bottom four pictures:

http://tobey457.netfirms.com/drop.htm

what do you think of the drop? i will get it aligned in a week or so. i am waiting for everything to settle so i can make the final adjustments.

what i am wondering is this: i have 17X7.5 48mm offset rotas with 225/45/17 tires going on soon. any chance i will rub at this height? as of now there is about 1" gap in the front and 1 1/4" gap in the rear between fender and tire. this will be corrected to bring the front up to 1 1/8" and the back will stay 1 1/4"....

i think i am safe at this height, as i have seen pics of sedans even lower and the owners didn't seem to have rubbing problems....... i would hate to get it set up and aligned, only to find out that my new tires are rubbing and have to do it all over again.

any advice?



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Old 03-30-2003, 02:58 PM   #2
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my advice is to wait to get it aligned until you put your new rims and tires on, but i don't know how long you have to wait for that
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:59 PM   #3
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may advice is to wait to get it aligned until you put your new rims and tires on, but i don't know how long you have to wait for that
see i was thinking that too, but it might be 2-3 weeks away before my rims/tires are ready. wonder if that's too long to wait?
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Old 03-30-2003, 03:02 PM   #4
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well i geuss it depends on how bad your alignment is off now and what you are doing with your old tires after you get the new ones
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Old 03-30-2003, 03:04 PM   #5
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well i geuss it depends on how bad your alignment is off now and what you are doing with your old tires after you get the new ones
i don't think my alignment is far off at all. from looking at it (not that it's any indication) the wheels are almost straight up and down, with just a hair of neg camber, and the car tracks straight. i can't judge the toe in though.

my stock wheels are spring/fall and winter tires from here on out.
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Old 03-30-2003, 04:50 PM   #6
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So how are those coilovers?
I am really thnking about getting them, how different does the car feel?

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Old 03-30-2003, 07:58 PM   #7
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So how are those coilovers?
I am really thnking about getting them, how different does the car feel?

Steve..
check out my review in the part review forum.

personally i haven't been in the car much since the install. but ride comfort, quality, handeling and looks have all improved, which is rare when lowering a car!

but it's early.....
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:08 PM   #8
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these are awesome coilovers for what they are, ive really grown to like mine over the year ive had them on.

what I dont get is the demand for them was so low they stopped importing them, now its like a 3month wait + extra $$$ and you have to order from japan.
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:30 AM   #9
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which camber bolts do you have?
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Old 03-31-2003, 10:20 AM   #10
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Type Wagons are the most grownup coilovers out there. They bring about a handling improvement without an attendant diminution of ride quality. They're fiddle-free, and you can't screw up your handling by choosing improper damping settings, as the only parameter you have control over is ride height.

Add some STi tops and you have an excellent setup that handles great and has great ride quality. Congratulations, and I do and don't understand the low demand for these babies.

I understand because they aren't "cool," since you can't adjust damping, and they ride better than stock, so people don't know that you're all hardcore and stuff, until you bend the car into a corner.

But because of the above ride/handling qualities, I am rather surprised that these things aren't in greater demand. My drive of a car with a set installed was very, very impressive. They have that same "gooey stiff" ride quality of the DMS coilovers.

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Old 03-31-2003, 01:11 PM   #11
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Default Tein Wagons vs. STi

gtguy -

Since you are likely one of the few that has experienced both setups, can I impose on you to do a quick comparison of the Wagons with STi strut tops and the dealer STi upgrade?

Let's keep it simple...say,
- ride over minor and big road imperfections,
- understeer and body roll control
- ultimate cornering ability

I believe I read some commentary from you where your ultimate preference on all counts was for the STi kit...was it by a big margin?

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Old 03-31-2003, 02:16 PM   #12
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Yep, these are a great unit for the cost....but we don't charge more for them just because they are special order, nor is there a 3 month wait...more like 4-6 weeks on average.

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Old 03-31-2003, 02:47 PM   #13
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Type Wagons are the most grownup coilovers out there. They bring about a handling improvement without an attendant diminution of ride quality. They're fiddle-free, and you can't screw up your handling by choosing improper damping settings, as the only parameter you have control over is ride height.

I understand because they aren't "cool," since you can't adjust damping, and they ride better than stock, so people don't know that you're all hardcore and stuff, until you bend the car into a corner.

But because of the above ride/handling qualities, I am rather surprised that these things aren't in greater demand. My drive of a car with a set installed was very, very impressive. They have that same "gooey stiff" ride quality of the DMS coilovers.

Kevin
well put.

i bought these because of the price and reviews i heard in regards to comfort and ride quality. my eclipse was lowered and it was the WORST ride ever (and i had to live with it daily). i would have spent more for better ride quality but fron the feedback i recieved, these coilovers fit the bill everywhere.

with a little more seat time i can say this. handling is great now, body roll has decreased 10 fold and the true handling qualities (or lack thereof) of the stock tires are now obvious. the car may not handle liek those with a full suspension setup made for the track, but the improvements are drastic.

best money i have spent so far......
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Old 03-31-2003, 05:56 PM   #14
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Actually Garret from worldone put the bug in my ear about these a while ago. He basically said the same thing, they are great and a lot less $$ and he can not figure out why they do not catch on.

For me, I like the "KISS" approach, I don't want to fiddle with the darn things or even be worried that I can fiddle with it. Plug and play works for me.

How much of a beotch is the install?
Do they come with good instructions?

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Old 03-31-2003, 11:44 PM   #15
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gtguy -

Since you are likely one of the few that has experienced both setups, can I impose on you to do a quick comparison of the Wagons with STi strut tops and the dealer STi upgrade?

Let's keep it simple...say,
- ride over minor and big road imperfections,
- understeer and body roll control
- ultimate cornering ability

I believe I read some commentary from you where your ultimate preference on all counts was for the STi kit...was it by a big margin?

Tom
Ride over minor road imperfections goes to the STi kit, in that the car is so settled. It just shrugs them off. Larger road imperfections...it depends. The Teins handle the sharper sorts of imperfections beautifully. They tend to buck less than the STi kit. I didn't get a chance to go over speed bumps and stuff with 'em, however.

The STis are superior in both lack of understeer and body roll control, mostly because they hew to the theory that the WRX likes spring rates that are close to identical. Mind you, the Teins didn't exactly push. They were very well balanced, but the STi stuff had more of that sense of being on a pivot. And the Teins control body roll quite well by virtue of being lowered.

Ultimate cornering ability....well, you'll run out of nerve before you run out of stick with both setups on the street. Also keep in mind that my wagon was fully tricked out, with not just the STi struts/springs, but also the pink bits at the rear of the car. I imagine that adding the pink bits to the Teins would make for a very, very impressive combination. My car cornered better, but duh! The real trick would be to have two identically set up wagons (or sedans), with the only difference being the struts/springs.

I like(d) the Type Wagons a lot, and think that dollar for dollar, they are the best suspension value for the WRX out there. There's a lot to be said for KISS. The other thing is they feel soft, but handle hard, if that makes sense. People tend to want to feel coilovers...that firmness, that uncomfortability that says you're hardcore. You don't get that with the Type Wagons, but you do get excellent handling.

Hope that helps,

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Hmmm, so the wgn's fit the kiss bill and won't send me to the dentist to get my fillings replaced. That sounds pretty darn good to me, now I KNOW I'm getting old.

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Old 04-01-2003, 02:54 AM   #17
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newbie questions - I've always thoght that this is designed for a wagon only and was not possible to get it installed on a sedan, but you installed it on a sedan. I have been very interested in this coilovers but never did a research since I saw that its only for a wagons.
Having said that, do you need anything special to fit it into a sedan?
sorry for the noob question
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Thanks gtguy. Nice insight as always.

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newbie questions - I've always thoght that this is designed for a wagon only and was not possible to get it installed on a sedan, but you installed it on a sedan. I have been very interested in this coilovers but never did a research since I saw that its only for a wagons.
Having said that, do you need anything special to fit it into a sedan?
sorry for teh noob question
thanks!
i was told tehy are called 'type wagons' because tehy are meant for teh 'wagon crowd' which would prefer ride quality and handeling improvements, not sure how true that is.

mine were a direct bolt on fit to my 2002 sedan. not sure how tehy will bolt up to otehr years/makes etc but mine were dead on. even teh brake hose brackets, etc were perfect.

teh one thing i don't like about tehm is teh backs are becoming noisey. sometimes when cornering or hitting a bump tehy make some noises........... any way to sure that? i have heard of this problem before, seems like teh car just makes those noises regardless?
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Thanks Tobey!
My roomate has bilstein coilovers, and he is having the same clunking noise in the back, but because its BMW the sound is not so audible due to the superb sound insulation on that car.
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Tobey -

Keep us in the loop on the noise issue. I am deciding between Tein Wagons and the STi dealer upgrade.

Thanks,
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the noise isn't bad, and it only happens on occasion. i have heard of these noises happening with most, if not all coilovers. i am guessing it's the car, not the coilover. if you hit the same bump 10 times in the exact same fashion, you might hear the noise 2-3 times, it's weird.

i had a crazy idea......... i was thinking......... you know that tool handle dip stuff? it's like a durable, rubber coating........ maybe painting the top pieces of the mounting hardware etc would solve the problem? im reaching here..........

it's very minor, but i want a rattle free interior and a clunk free suspension!
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