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04-10-2001, 01:17 PM | #1 |
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How many California 2.5 RS turbo owners?
After just posting my opinions to "the Dabbler's" question about tickets for non CARB parts, I am wondering how many people in CA have a turbo kit on their RS, and how the heck they are getting around the required Smog Check situation? Please post comments, for all to see.
It should be noted that in my opinion, I am staying N/A until a CARB certified kit comes out. The penalties are just too stiff if you get caught, including you losing your car forever! Yeah, not impounded, but confiscated!! Even something as simple as a high flow cat can get you in trouble.
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04-10-2001, 07:59 PM | #2 |
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I guess they're trying to lay low!
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04-10-2001, 08:02 PM | #3 |
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not me *
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04-10-2001, 09:42 PM | #4 |
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THAT'S why I moved back to TX.... O, and I was afraid of Kartboy's ass kick'n
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04-10-2001, 10:06 PM | #5 |
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By the weekend of the 21st, hopefully.
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04-10-2001, 10:27 PM | #6 |
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No one has had to smog their cars yet since you dont do it for like 4 or 5 years.
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04-11-2001, 12:47 AM | #7 |
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Hey! What's that sniffer doing on someone elses tailpipe?
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04-11-2001, 05:48 PM | #8 |
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Anyone who has ever owned a car for more than 2 years knows that you need a smog check every 2 years in order to get your registration.
Where did you get 4 or 5 from? What are you guys gonna do, take evrything off of the car before you roll it in to get the smog check? I'll make you a deal. For those of you with silver cars, I'll let you bolt up your liscence plate to my MY00 silver coupe and take the test that way. But you gotta let me go for a spin in your turbo RS first!! |
04-11-2001, 05:54 PM | #9 |
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Minnesota has no more emmission tests!! woo hoo!!!!!!! that means i can buy an old Scooby that fills the air with smoky stuff.(but i am the one whose gonna breath that also so i wouldn't buy one)
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04-11-2001, 11:22 PM | #10 |
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I did a small amount of research on the fun CARB regulations here while looking at a turbo.
I believe that California CARB laws require a new car needs to be smogged 4 or 5 years after purchase. After that initial smog test, it needs to be smogged every 2 years after that. However, if the car is sold used, it needs to be smogged at the time of the sale and then after that every 2 years afterwards. My understanding of a turbo kit is that our ECU's won't like it, therefore needing something to piggyback or override it. CARB doesn't like that and so I doubt a turbo kit will become CARB legal. As far as license plates go, depending on how the smog place is, they check your VINs. I'd have to say either find a "friendly" smogging place or remove your turbo when smogging. [This message has been edited by D (edited April 11, 2001).] |
04-12-2001, 03:59 PM | #11 |
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MY98 RS brand new Sept 97 still no smog notification, only annual tag renewal.
I'm broke right now, but I'll wait for something legal of just leave it as is. Albert |
04-12-2001, 05:37 PM | #12 |
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But if I were to drop a WRX engine in a RS then that would be legal, correct? Then the Vehicle ID Number means nothing if that is the fact.
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04-13-2001, 10:17 AM | #13 |
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I don't know about every state, but in CA new cars don't have to be smogged for 5 years, unless you sell it. You can swap the engine as long as you use an engine that is of the same year or newer. also, you have to update all the smog equipment to the specs of the new engine.
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04-13-2001, 01:28 PM | #14 |
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An RS and a WRX are both imprezas... isn't that close enough to being the same model?
What if you had an impreza L... can you not swap in the engine from an Impreza TS since the letters after impreza aren't the same? Because there isn't an L anymore, you can't get an engine? But an OBS could because the new one is an OBS? (even though it's a bigger engine?) And wouldn't part of the "emissions equipment" on the WRX engine be the cats, the first and second of which need the turbo between them to hold them together? I'm just curious how they make these sort of distinctions... |
04-13-2001, 03:14 PM | #15 | |
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04-13-2001, 04:21 PM | #16 |
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AccidenT:
The Calif. emissions regulations are complex -- so one really needs to do their research before embarking upon a major modification plan (assuming they want to be cal. legal). And the state likely knows whether your car is/should be turbo or not -- the vin number gives that away (do a test on Carfax.com using different vin numbers, it tells you what the car is). That is not to say that you can't get someone to pass still, but I am talking about strictly legal purposes. |
04-14-2001, 12:31 AM | #17 |
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RS2001, you are paetially correct. You can legally swap an engine if it is the same year or newer, but only if it is from the same model car and is CA smog legal, hence the statement about also including all the original smog equipment.
I went through all of this already when trying to swap a Chevy 350 into my Jeep. You simply cannot swap an EJ20 into a 2.5 RS in CA and still be smog legal. |
04-14-2001, 12:39 AM | #18 |
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Yeah, swapping in a wrx engine (and related emissions equipment) is simply that -- just an engine swap. You don't get to include the turbos! CARB is pretty clear that you generally cannot add turbochargers to a car that did not come with OEM turbos. A non-turbo'd lower compression engine is not something I would want to swap into my performance machine.
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