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04-14-2009, 07:50 PM | #2201 |
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typically SOA tells the dealership to leave the engine as is (don't tear it down), crate it and ship it to SOA (and from there maybe to Japan?)- so not many mechanics have peeked inside the faulty engines. as far as the new engine, I can't imagine that they would tear down the engine just to see what possibly changed- my guess is not damn much- possible new bearings that would very closely resemble the original ones
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04-14-2009, 08:14 PM | #2202 | |
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I see this as a fight club cost scenario. SoA needs to do some math on this and this is what the equations look like: Recall: Engines sold before ??/?? x Cost x 100% = $$$$$$$ (Plus, remember.. Once you recall, you must HONOR that recall past the warranty period) No Recall: Engines sold before ??/?? x Cost x % that may break = $$$ Once SoA starts to receive broken engines they are tearing them down and finding out the issue, and (hopefully) fixing it. They don't want to incur the cost of fixing every engine sold before a certain date. It freaking sucks... But it is business... Until somone pin points the problem, and makes it something you can point to and say "That is broken" this won't get any better... |
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04-14-2009, 08:39 PM | #2203 | |
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Even so, I really don't know what I would do if the engine did pop...I keep comming back to this issue |
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04-14-2009, 08:40 PM | #2204 |
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04-14-2009, 08:43 PM | #2205 |
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04-14-2009, 08:43 PM | #2206 |
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04-14-2009, 09:26 PM | #2207 |
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I have a '09. I have had my engine replaced. Do I worry that it will go again? Yes, that thought has crossed my mind. Am I going to let it bother me? No.
People who have the car need to stop complaining about whether or not their car is going to break. You are taking the fun right out of driving it. Drive it the way its meant to be driven and let it go. It either breaks or it doesn't... Get over it and enjoy your car until it does. |
04-14-2009, 09:57 PM | #2208 | |
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04-14-2009, 10:16 PM | #2209 |
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i drove the living piss out of my engine. It lasted 6500 miles amazingly.
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04-14-2009, 10:23 PM | #2210 |
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I was watching the youtube and comments from claimed to be tech say it's turbo related causeing the bearing to starve oil and failed bearing. I wonder if something is poorly designed or something defective.
Arent' these mitsubishi turbos? If this is true the turbos must be out of stock |
04-14-2009, 10:24 PM | #2211 |
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04-14-2009, 10:27 PM | #2212 |
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I would assume that the engines are kept in the USA and sent to NJ. They should have the proper facilities for a tear-down.
If the issue is caused by contamimated oiling holes in the crankshaft, then failure would be dependant upon the presence, size, and quantity of the (presumed) metal particles. This could cause a great differential in failure mileages, so there really would be no indicator mileage-wise. All it would really take is one decent sized shaving to really ruin your day quickly, and small ones to ruin a day for you some time later. If the issue is bearing material alone, they could also vary quite a bit. I would say that no-one is in the clear unless a piece of information comes to light telling us so. Who knows, maybe SoA knows the core issue and have resolved it. They probably can't guarantee that all engines will be affected, so a recall may not be in order (although it would be 'nice' for them to do so), as they could tear 100 engines down to find 10 affected ones (as an example). This would be a huge waste of money (although it would be the right thing to do - we all know money talks). And, even if someones engine failed at 40,000 miles, odds are that they would still cover the repair, espically if contamination can be proven AND they are 'reminded' of this issue. |
04-14-2009, 10:32 PM | #2213 | |
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And if it was oil starvation, the only way I would think the turbo could do that is to actually leak it out. I'm pretty sure no-one who had an engine pop was low on oil. |
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04-14-2009, 11:08 PM | #2214 |
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04-14-2009, 11:19 PM | #2215 |
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Which is exactly why I told my brother-in-law to hold off buying an '09, even though he had cash in hand to do so.
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04-15-2009, 05:46 AM | #2216 |
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04-15-2009, 06:36 AM | #2217 | |
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Subaru has made millions of turbos. I believe it was a limited supply chain problem and has been remedied. My car has only 8700 miles on the replacement engine so I can't "prove" it but other than documenting required maintenance I'm driving normally, and very happily. |
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04-15-2009, 08:13 AM | #2218 |
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Just a reminder to everyone that keeps mentioning the 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. That is on the entire car. Everyone that buys a Subaru and goes with the standard warranty gets a 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty, and the motor would be considered part of the powertrain. Unless Subaru comes up with a known fix or provides a list of affected VIN#s I will be selling/trading-in this car before it hits 5 years/60,000 miles.
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04-15-2009, 09:55 AM | #2219 |
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If you are looking to buy an 09 WRX, I'd wait until the 2010 WRX came out. And not just because of these failures. It is possible some of the changes that are found in the 2010 Legacy will make its way into the 2010 WRX. For example, the 6-speed is now standard in the LGT (even the NA Legacy gets a 6-speed albiet not the same one). Also they moved the turbo closer to the block greatly improving low-end torque (258 lb-ft from 2000 to 5600? RPM). They said they did this for improving emissions as well so that might be a reason that the 2010 WRX will get it.
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04-15-2009, 10:51 AM | #2220 | |
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I continue to marvel at those who advise us not to worry and drive without concern. Are you really ready to get stuck in the boonies without cell service when your motor starts knocking? Where I live, in the heart of the Rockies, that's a distinct possibility, and the prospect of this happening in the dead of winter or in mid-summer ain't pretty. |
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04-15-2009, 10:52 AM | #2221 | |
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There is a way for SOA to make a statement on this if the issue is resolved going forward. Until then, many enthusiasts are going to be cautious about the car, and some will avoid it altogether. |
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04-15-2009, 12:41 PM | #2222 | |
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04-15-2009, 12:52 PM | #2223 |
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Seriously.. good call.. But while you're at it... Why not just wait for the 2011's.. Who knows they might have solid rocket boosters, mini guns, and special pockets to hold your unicorns, puppy dogs, and butterfly kisses...
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04-15-2009, 12:53 PM | #2224 | |
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Sorry for the OT posts, I think I'll head to the rumors section now. Anyway, Subaru lost another customer altogether or until the 2010 models arrive. |
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04-15-2009, 01:04 PM | #2225 |
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Right, I have to totally agree with this sentiment. I have cash in hand and was ready to pull the trigger; now I am waiting on the sidelines for 2010 or even considering a totally different car......
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