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Old 07-06-2003, 12:43 PM   #1
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I have a problem (mostly while in turns) with miss shifting sometimes... I intend to go to 4th... and end up in 2nd. Now normally this isnt TOO much of an issue. That is until recently when I was just about at redline and went to shift to 4th and ended up in 2nd! Anyway, my question I guess is if i install a short shifter, do you think this may help resolve my little issue? or would it make it worse?!
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Old 07-06-2003, 01:54 PM   #2
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No offense, but the issue is that you can't shift.
Getting a short shifter will definitely improve the quality of the shifts, but if you physically have a problem finding that right gate, that's still your problem.
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Old 07-06-2003, 02:04 PM   #3
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No offense, but the issue is that you can't shift.
Getting a short shifter will definitely improve the quality of the shifts, but if you physically have a problem finding that right gate, that's still your problem.
No offense taken ... I do realize that I am physically pulling toward me instead of straight down. I just have never had this issue with any of my previous cars. Granted my previous cars have never had this sort of performance... This is just a frustrating issue for me as I have been driving a stick since I was 14 and am a good driver (realizing I still have TONS to learn but I mean.. you know... the 'basics' of driving). I guess this is just a technique that I need to work on... Bad habits are hard to break! Someone told me that it was because when I grip the shifter, I am gripping it like kind of 'fisted'. Almost like if you were to make a fist and just set it on the table... Thats how I do it. They suggested gripping it like thumbs down... so when I pull down, instinctivily I will pull more to the right and away from me (i.e 4th gear) instead of towards me (i.e. 2nd gear). I know this is all basic stuff but I am serious as far as wanting to break this stupid habit and taking suggestions. So please any suggestions/ideas would help!!
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Old 07-06-2003, 04:11 PM   #4
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A shifter might help a bit, shifter bushings might help a bit too.
Try getting a shift knob. Knob style.
I am a fist shifter too
Thats why we made the Knuckleball shift knob.
I can use a pistol type if needed but i feel much more comfortable with a ball type knob.
I have to admit the Subaru factory shifter is quite vague at best.
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Old 07-06-2003, 04:57 PM   #5
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actually a shortshifter will improve the feel of the shift and
lessen your chances for mis shifts. i for one use kartboy
shifters on both my cars and ever since mis-shifting has been
at a minimum.

the subaru shifter is long and hard to find the gates sometimes.
and a good shift knob is also a very big plus.

my wrx came with those skinny STI titanium knob....it sucked
big time. i use greddy knobs.
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Old 07-08-2003, 12:43 AM   #6
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For the 5->4, don't try to do it in one motion. Just do it in two little motions - 5->N (should happen naturally when you pull it out of 5th) and then N->4 (pull straight back). And it's easier if you either shift before or after the corner, not during, since the side-side motion can throw you off. Plus if you're turning you should probably have two hands on the wheel anyways

p.s. the stock shift knob is rubbery and evil, get the Knuckleball.

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Old 07-08-2003, 12:52 AM   #7
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For the 5->4, don't try to do it in one motion. Just do it in two little motions - 5->N (should happen naturally when you pull it out of 5th) and then N->4 (pull straight back). And it's easier if you either shift before or after the corner, not during, since the side-side motion can throw you off. Plus if you're turning you should probably have two hands on the wheel anyways

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See - the situation I usually am in when this happens is like entering on the freeway... One of those like 360 onramps... you know?

But I see your point on the shifting.. As well as the two hands on the wheel thingee ... (*blush*)
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Old 07-08-2003, 07:52 AM   #8
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Good points, all of them -- some of my trackwhore friends tell similar stories of lateral G forces making shifts hard to hit.

Certainly, if you're downshifting, double clutching helps you find your gate, as if things don't line up almost immediately, you're probably at the wrong gate, and breaks up the shift into two more manageable chunks.

Similarly, waiting for the revs to match on your 3-4 upshift (instead of forcing it in through the synchro) will help you avoid mis-shifts. If you don't feel the dogs line up and the lever just "snick" into gear, you're at the wrong gate. Place it in neutral, clutch out, rev the motor back up a bit, clutch in, and try it again into the correct gate.

Train yourself on that technique, as it's a good "escape" technique if you botch a shift under any circumstance and find yourself out of gear when you really need to be in it.

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Old 07-08-2003, 01:26 PM   #9
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More and more I am realizing just how much I need someone to teach me these techniques (*sigh). Damn schools are so expensive.... I wish I actually knew someone who could teach me! LOL I guess until I can afford it, it will just be practice, practice, PRACTICE!!!! I do so appreciate all of the wonderful tips and advice I get from you all though!!
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Old 07-08-2003, 01:34 PM   #10
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not sure if its been posted, but way i learned when i had trouble was to drop to neutral release the shift knob and it will center above 3rd & 4th. then straight down to 4th.. really slow, but helps you find the center.
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Old 07-08-2003, 02:16 PM   #11
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Wink Best solution: fix the nut behind the wheel!

General roadracing shifting technique:
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving...shifting.lasso

Subaru-Specific shifting advice: (Courtesy Mike Shields, one of the original Suby-Guru's!!!)
http://www.spdusa.com/shifting.htm


Also, STi engine and transmission mounts might also help, by lessening the drivetrain slack that is partly contributing to your missed shifts, as would firmer shifter bushings, a la Kartboy or Cusco. Learning proper technique is free though, and will help you in any car you drive.

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