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Old 08-04-2005, 05:54 PM   #1
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Default Legacy 2.5 GT Spec B sedan this October

As discussed and displayed at the National Dealer Meeting, SOA will be coming out with a Legacy 2.5 GT Spec B sedan this October.

The production of these will be extremely limited, only 500 will be built nationally and they will be offered/allocated on a one-time only basis.

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Old 08-04-2005, 05:59 PM   #2
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manual transmission?

if so, this is not only a great car, but not a terrible deal for such a limited run car.

not too many subarus come with 18's from the factory.. yikes.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:00 PM   #3
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I'd would think AT, but hopefull 6spd MT, what you see is all SOA has told us, North East dealers are supposed to reserve theirs with in 24 hours.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:07 PM   #4
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which is it, 2.5i or GT? In other words, turbo or not?
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:11 PM   #5
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Turbo, that's just a typo from the sender, our regional rep.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:19 PM   #6
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I just got that email too...

then my DM just called right after it was sent...

the GT's dont move as it is, my GM is REAL hesitant to buy one of these cars to have on the lot, but im working on it. A 34,000 car is hard to take.

Personally if *I* had the money, I would buy this over an STI in a heartbeat. real sweet ride.. Saw one at the dealer conference in San Fran.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:35 PM   #7
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manual transmission?
This picture, taken at the national dealers' meeting in SF, seems to show enough pedals to make me believe it's a manual transmission:

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Old 08-04-2005, 06:40 PM   #8
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I could ask the GM if he noticed if it was 5spd or 6spd., looks like 5spd from that photo.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:44 PM   #9
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its a 5MT...

there was a whole thread about this before...

the things listed above at the top of the thread are the ONLY differences from a regular GT Ltd, thats it, no other tricks.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:47 PM   #10
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Basically, outside of the color, any GT could be made into a spec B, but it would still cost more at Dealer prices to order and install everything.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:56 PM   #11
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If only it was a wagon...

Sigh...So close.

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Old 08-04-2005, 07:30 PM   #12
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If only it was a wagon with a 6MT or SMG...

Sigh...So close.

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Fixed it for you.
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Old 08-04-2005, 08:30 PM   #13
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the GT's dont move as it is, my GM is REAL hesitant to buy one of these cars to have on the lot, but im working on it. A 34,000 car is hard to take.
hmmm ... yeah actually I think this will be a tough sell. There are a lot of very nice cars at that price point.
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Old 08-04-2005, 08:57 PM   #14
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I just got that email too...

then my DM just called right after it was sent...

the GT's dont move as it is, my GM is REAL hesitant to buy one of these cars to have on the lot, but im working on it. A 34,000 car is hard to take.

Personally if *I* had the money, I would buy this over an STI in a heartbeat. real sweet ride.. Saw one at the dealer conference in San Fran.
I don't have any more info to add to this thread but I do have an annecdote.

I called the Sales Manager (I'll call him SM) at my closest Subaru dealership this evening because I want one of these puppies and I wanted to be sure SM told SNE (Subaru of New England) that he wanted at least one. I don't know whether or not SM got or read the email, but he did get a call from SNE. SM described the call as a "survey" by SNE and was asked how many Spec.B's he wanted. When I talked to SM, he knew only 500 were being made and the MSRP was "about $34,000" (maybe from speaking to the SNE rep) but was unaware the Spec.B would come in only one color and with only a manual transmission. Anyway, SM figured he'd want a few different colors and both MTs and ATs, so he told the SNE rep he was good for "4 to 10" Spec.B's.

SM claims his dealership sells more Subarus than any other dealer in New England and believes SNE will get their "fair share" of Spec.B's. He was very confident that he'd get more than just 1 Spec.B, even though there are about 585 Subaru dealerships in the US. We'll see.
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Old 08-04-2005, 10:20 PM   #15
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I could ask the GM if he noticed if it was 5spd or 6spd., looks like 5spd from that photo.
Here's a shot that includes the shifter:



And those 18” wheels with summer tires look pretty good, too.
I assume the tires are the same ones supplied with the WRX STi.



Overall, it's a sharp looking car.



P.S. Does the ride height seem a wee bit lower than a normal Legacy GT, or is it just my imagination, clouded by the big wheels with low profile tires?

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Old 08-04-2005, 11:19 PM   #16
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Jon, I can't tell if you are being serious about the ride height so I will answer you anyway. I think that the Bilsteins on the spec b lower the ride height all around by an arbitrary amount. I would say it's measured between 10-20 mm.

I was just suprised that you were actually asking a question.. you are usually the answer giver.

Anyway, nice find on those pics. I would pick up a spec b in a second if they woulda doe something about those brakes. The car deserves more really. Hmmm.... I wonder if the new WRX brakes would be a direct transplant?
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:30 AM   #17
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its a 5MT...

there was a whole thread about this before...

the things listed above at the top of the thread are the ONLY differences from a regular GT Ltd, thats it, no other tricks.
Which just proves how useless the stickied "Higher-Performance Legacy Survey" thread was.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628871

I don't think many of the 180+ posts thought that a "performance" Legacy consisted of:

1. Custom Pepto Bismol leather interior
2. no 6MT
3. no HID/Xenons

PLUS performance upgrades:
MP3-compatible stereo
Floor Mats
New gauge color
Aluminum pedal covers
Audio switches on steering wheel
Chrome rocker panel
(that all adds what, 300 HP?)

and for only $34,000.

I can see why a Subaru GM would be hesitant to order one for his sales floor.

Pity SOA never listens to its fanbase. Since they're making only a limited number of these "performance" monster Legacies, they *could* have actually done something amazing with them--but then, they wouldn't be SOA would they?
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Old 08-05-2005, 02:55 AM   #18
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Germany better watch out. Of all the car companies right now, I think Subaru may be taking the biggest bite out of their market in terms of sports sedans. The new Lexus IS300 is apparently pretty soft in terms of driving and I can't think of any other car right now that is making progress like the Legacy/WRX is. Ever since I put the 22B spoiler on my WRX, I can't help but to think I'm driving the modern equivelant of the old M3s and Mercedes 190 Evolution.

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Old 08-05-2005, 08:33 AM   #19
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meh ... I doubt BMW/MB/Audi are too worried about Subaru

I'm still hopeful the Spec B is a teaser/stopgap and we will get a real STi Legacy at some point. Kind of worried about price, though. If the Spec B doesn't sell at 34k, SOA may not give us anything else, plus if the Spec B is 34k what outrageous price will an STi be? 40k?
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Old 08-05-2005, 08:41 AM   #20
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meh ... I doubt BMW/MB/Audi are too worried about Subaru

I'm still hopeful the Spec B is a teaser/stopgap and we will get a real STi Legacy at some point. Kind of worried about price, though. If the Spec B doesn't sell at 34k, SOA may not give us anything else, plus if the Spec B is 34k what outrageous price will an STi be? 40k?
Mike, my gut feeling is, based on what I've seen so far, is that the STi will be reserved for the Impreza—as far as overseas markets. Yes, there have been JDM Legacy STis, but never has one been sold outside of Japan.

I think the Spec B will evolve into the luxury/sports/premier model for the Legacy lineup, at least outside of Japan. I'd be very surprised if we ever see a Legacy STi here, as it would to a large degree compete with the Spec B for customers. I suspect FHI doesn't think there's room for both the Spec B Legacy and STi Legacy outside of Japan, or at least not enough potential customers for both models to be profitable. I think FHI sees the hard-core sporting STI image more fitting for the Impreza, than the Legacy, which is much more luxury oriented.

Again, I have no proof of this, but just having been an observer of FHI for years, I think this is what is likely to happen.

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Old 08-05-2005, 09:05 AM   #21
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If they could have upped the HP a little, 275-280 range, they might have had a winner.
They will sell 500 with no problem, but probably not enough to make it an option package. Too many other good cars in that price range.
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Bob,
Are you of the same opinion for FSTI as well? At least on this forum it sounds like it would sell well......
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Mike, my gut feeling is, based on what I've seen so far, is that the STi will be reserved for the Impreza—as far as overseas markets. Yes, there have been JDM Legacy STis, but never has one been sold outside of Japan.

I think the Spec B will evolve into the luxury/sports/premier model for the Legacy lineup, at least outside of Japan. I'd be very surprised if we ever see a Legacy STi here, as it would to a large degree compete with the Spec B for customers. I suspect FHI doesn't think there's room for both the Spec B Legacy and STi Legacy outside of Japan, or at least not enough potential customers for both models to be profitable. I think FHI sees the hard-core sporting STI image more fitting for the Impreza, than the Legacy, which is much more luxury oriented.

Again, I have no proof of this, but just having been an observer of FHI for years, I think this is what is likely to happen.

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Bob,
Are you of the same opinion for FSTI as well? At least on this forum it sounds like it would sell well......
Rick
I think we are more likely to see an F-STi before a L-STi. If a F-STi does show up, and it does well (sales!), that could help pave the way for a future L-STi. I just think that the L-STi is so "specialized," and it would cost an arm and a leg to do it properly, that the market would be very small. Maybe 500 units? Yeah that's the same number as the Spec B, but the Spec B would be much cheaper to produce and sell than an Sti. I'm not sure the market is ready for a $40K+ Subaru yet.; maybe in a few years, but not now.

Also, right now the Spec B is the Legacy "halo" car. If you bring over the STi, you would have two "halo" cars competing with one another for top image spot. I think one would suffer in the marketplace.

Now if the Spec B becomes the WRX Limited equivalent, then there would be room above for the L-STi, as per the Impreza range; but that may take a few years before that could happen.

Bob

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Old 08-05-2005, 09:38 AM   #24
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It's a nice car but I gotta give it a thumbs down for no bump in power or brakes and no 6-spd. LOVE those wheels though.

My guess is they're using this car to gauge interest in a real performance Legacy. Remember how Subaru brought out the 2.5RS, it sold like hotcakes and then Presto! they announce the WRX is coming to the States.

Close SOA, but no cigar....
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Well, I agree with some of the above posters. As a matter of fact (and I am sorry to say) that Americans are too stupid to understand that STi is not a "model" persey but a performance tuned version of one of the Subaru models.

I would also bet that you would see a Legacy STi before a Forester STi because the LSTi would have a better market to capture share in. I mean, the Forester XT is already the second fastest "SUV" in the American market (world?).
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