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Old 08-18-2003, 02:23 AM   #1
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I haven't been on for a while, so if this subject has already been discussed, forgive me.

For all of you who enjoy a friendly little street race every now and again (myself included), beware. On Sept. 1, 2003, Texas state laws regarding street racing will change from a class C traffic violation to a class B misdemeanor. That's not a joking matter ladies and gentlemen. That would now be the same as getting a DWI. It's a county charge, and it aint no fun going to the county jail.
Ya'll may or may not care about this, but I figured everyone deserves a fair warning. The entire United States is cracking down on street racing, due to the number of deaths and accidents similar activities have caused. I for one will always drive fast, it's just my nature, but plz, be very careful and remember this post the next time you decide to blow the doors off that little punk a$$ civic that wants to race you It's no longer worth the fun.
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Old 08-18-2003, 07:22 AM   #2
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Ive been thikning about it....IMO...I think some cops are going to be using that to their advantage to just throw their weight around...say for instance if you were just speeding...I dont know...in a ways I welcome it...but in a ways I dont...I just feel that innocents will be cuaght in the crossfire
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Old 08-18-2003, 07:57 AM   #3
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remember, you are still (technically) innocent until proven guilty

it may be a difficult to prove in a court of law that an accused was "street racing"

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Ive been thikning about it....IMO...I think some cops are going to be using that to their advantage to just throw their weight around...say for instance if you were just speeding...I dont know...in a ways I welcome it...but in a ways I dont...I just feel that innocents will be cuaght in the crossfire
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Old 08-18-2003, 08:41 AM   #4
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Not that ANYONE here is the DFW area has been given tickets for street racing when they wewre sitting on a curb in the middle of no where with all the cars shut off or anything....

Yeah... this is great.... one more way for the police ot abuse their authority.... :monkey:
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Old 08-18-2003, 09:45 AM   #5
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Most of the time, my 'blowing the doors off that civic' are NOT from street racing. It's simply a matter of out-accelerating the Civic up to the speed limit. I would imagine a cop seeing that my acceleration that was faster than the other car would take that as street racing despite my not ever going over the speed limit. I really don't see how they can classify that when pulling people over unless it was one of those FATF type of organized racing... in which case, I don't really care since I don't do that.

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Old 08-18-2003, 09:45 AM   #6
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The entire United States is cracking down on street racing, due to the number of deaths and accidents similar activities have caused.
I read the local paper quite often and I find they will lable an accident street racing sometimes when it had nothing to do with racing.
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Old 08-18-2003, 09:48 AM   #7
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I read the local paper quite often and I find they will lable an accident street racing sometimes when it had nothing to do with racing.
Exactly my point. Unless the cop was already there, short of participating, how is he going to know it was an organized, or disorganized street race short of hear-say?
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Old 08-18-2003, 09:59 AM   #8
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From first hand experience this past month, proving guilt in street racing is difficult, if not impossible. However the judge has another, reduced charge, called something like "excessive display of speed".

Last month, driving my wife's mustang. I started at a light, with a cop behind me. Being/getting use to driving the sub and feathering the clutch, the wheels chirpped a bit in first gear. The honda next to me took off like a bat out of hell. The cop pulled the honda over, then stopped me as I passed by. He ticketed both of us for racing. When I went to court with a copy of the law pertaining to the definition of street racing, none of the conditions were met or observed by the officer. Since I did "jack rabbit" at the light, the judge reduced the $200 fine from racing to $65 (deferred) excessive speed (whatever the exact name is) and verbal abuse from the judge (of course) about learning how to handle my vehicle.
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:26 AM   #9
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im sure there are more deaths due to assault/abuse/robbery than ghey street racing. i think they should concentrate more on that than people speeding. in court, if you dont have good facts like jnmarshall did, the judge will let you try to defend yourself, but in the end side with the officer and find you guilty. i know this from going to court for traffic tickets for 5+ years straight. i sit and listen to the cases and saw how the accused would try to defend him/herself and the officer just read out some facts that he wrote on the ticket to remember and the judge would still just say guilty and fine the accused.
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:53 AM   #10
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great.... my car just looks like I would be racing..

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Old 08-18-2003, 11:12 AM   #11
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and verbal abuse from the judge (of course) about learning how to handle my vehicle.
You have no idea the self control I used in a situation like this. The ignorant as f**k jude knows he can say whatever and you have to sit there and listen no matter how wrong he is.
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:58 AM   #12
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remember, you are still (technically) innocent until proven guilty

it may be a difficult to prove in a court of law that an accused was "street racing"

I enjoy your optimism. Traffic violation fines are a significant source of income for an already revenue starved city. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I think that in many judges eyes, the police officer's testimony = proof, and your testimony = perjury. I have had success in negotiating with the city attorney in Lincoln, NE, but don't know how it works in Houston.

"Exhibition of acceleration" seems to be a catch-all for police officers needing to write tickets. I wish it weren't a traffic violation, and instead have legitimate violations (excessive speed, erratic lane changes, etc.) be fined, instead of such subjective ones.

One good thing is that my car will accelerate hard without screeching (azenis, 4WD )
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Old 08-18-2003, 12:30 PM   #13
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"Exhibition of acceleration" seems to be a catch-all for police officers needing to write tickets. I wish it weren't a traffic violation, and instead have legitimate violations (excessive speed, erratic lane changes, etc.) be fined, instead of such subjective ones.
every car that moves from a stop exhibits acceleration... so that is a BS violation...
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Old 08-18-2003, 12:45 PM   #14
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I was gearing the "innocent until proven guilty" more toward the class B misdemeanor.

I don't think a judge can take a cavalier attitude towards that offense the way he or she can toward a traffic violation.

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I enjoy your optimism. Traffic violation fines are a significant source of income for an already revenue starved city.
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:12 PM   #15
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this law is yet another way for the already abusive police system to further abuse people who purchase nice vehicles.

while I don't really like street racing per se...I dislike the fact that cops misuse their authority CONSTANTLY and this gives them the opportunity.

Im happy paying a court fee for speeding even if i wasnt. ill pay the ticket and wont fight it, but this is simply another way to waste taxpayers time and money and further clog up the already sluggish court system.


two thumbs down.

im moving to austrailia.
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:15 PM   #16
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it seems to be a nice gesture for lawmakers to come up with this idea to stop something thats been around forever. instead of punishing those caught appropriately then have to get everyone while those drinking and driving, chronic speeders, red light runners, hit and run drivers, uninsured drivers continue to get slapped on the wrist while they abuse the system with continual violations of the same thing.

they need to apply this energy to something more productive.

damn politicians
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:39 PM   #17
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Im happy paying a court fee for speeding even if i wasnt. ill pay the ticket and wont fight it, but this is simply another way to waste taxpayers time and money and further clog up the already sluggish court system.
if you just like to give money away, then you're the guy they are trying to stop. but hey, send some of that cash my way while you're at it!!

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they need to apply this energy to something more productive.

damn politicians
they are, they are hanging out in new mexico, probably on lake tahoe getting to know future voters. its simple, just don't vote for them next time around and tell them why
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:57 PM   #18
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street racing happens. there are a lot of young immature kids that participate in this activity. it is dangerous. it can kill people.

smoking happens. there are a lot of young immature kids that participate in this activity. it is dangerous. it can kill people.

sex happens. there are a lot of young immature kids that participate in this activity. it is dangerous. it can kill people.

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the worst part is, there are many traffic laws that cops never pull people over for that cause accidents and deaths every day: slamming on your breaks on the freeway with no blinker just to cut to the front of a creeping line for an exit/entrance ramp.. hell ive seen this happen twice last week.. and yet to see a street race death.. but its not very high profile and it doesn't bring in money.

this law will do nothing to stop street racing, it was created so they could increase monies to the respective police departments. notice they never pass laws against the 40+ white banker who has road rage or 70+ yo drivers who cant see the speedo much less the exit sign... why? coz it'll hit the center of their voting demographic.. and that folks is what drives legal change..money and politics..

oh..and to clarify a common misconception.. traffic court is not a criminal proceeding, you are NOT innocent until proven guilty.. the burden of proof is upon you to prove your innocence.
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it seems to be a nice gesture for lawmakers to come up with this idea to stop something thats been around forever. instead of punishing those caught appropriately then have to get everyone while those drinking and driving, chronic speeders, red light runners, hit and run drivers, uninsured drivers continue to get slapped on the wrist while they abuse the system with continual violations of the same thing.

they need to apply this energy to something more productive.

damn politicians
^ What he said. I am sick and tired of seeing people run lights, drink & drive, excess speed and uncontrolled lane changes all the time and the cops just slap them on the wrist.
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lake tahoe is in neveda

not voting for them won't solve the problem atless you run somebody that supports that platform
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^ What he said. I am sick and tired of seeing people run lights, drink & drive, excess speed and uncontrolled lane changes all the time and the cops just slap them on the wrist.
if there was a law that started to crack down on excessive speed and blah blah there would be a thread on here about why don't you crack down on the street racers.

I know i am not the only one who has driven in a large caravan of subarus which all demonstrated excessive speed and unsafe lane changes.

Further laws on anything will do nothing to stop what is happening, speeding laws don;t stop me from speeding and with my financial situation it is more than a slap on the wrist, to solve the problem of unsafe drivers more driver education needs to be done, the license standard should be much more advanced, say like the Germans.
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if there was a law that started to crack down on excessive speed and blah blah there would be a thread on here about why don't you crack down on the street racers.

I know i am not the only one who has driven in a large caravan of subarus which all demonstrated excessive speed and unsafe lane changes.

Further laws on anything will do nothing to stop what is happening, speeding laws don;t stop me from speeding and with my financial situation it is more than a slap on the wrist, to solve the problem of unsafe drivers more driver education needs to be done, the license standard should be much more advanced, say like the Germans.
I agree with you about the graduated licenses but the running of stop lights has to stop and if you have ever driven on 121/141 toward Arlington you would know what i mean about the unsafe lane changes. Cutting across 4 lanes in heavy traffic with no signals is not safe at all. Also if you stop at pretty much any light in North Dallas there will always be 1-2 stragglers that run it when it is a solid red.
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Old 08-18-2003, 03:59 PM   #23
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Quote:
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street racing happens. there are a lot of young immature kids that participate in this activity. it is dangerous. it can kill people.

smoking happens. there are a lot of young immature kids that participate in this activity. it is dangerous. it can kill people.

sex happens. there are a lot of young immature kids that participate in this activity. it is dangerous. it can kill people.

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the worst part is, there are many traffic laws that cops never pull people over for that cause accidents and deaths every day: slamming on your breaks on the freeway with no blinker just to cut to the front of a creeping line for an exit/entrance ramp.. hell ive seen this happen twice last week.. and yet to see a street race death.. but its not very high profile and it doesn't bring in money.

this law will do nothing to stop street racing, it was created so they could increase monies to the respective police departments. notice they never pass laws against the 40+ white banker who has road rage or 70+ yo drivers who cant see the speedo much less the exit sign... why? coz it'll hit the center of their voting demographic.. and that folks is what drives legal change..money and politics..

oh..and to clarify a common misconception.. traffic court is not a criminal proceeding, you are NOT innocent until proven guilty.. the burden of proof is upon you to prove your innocence.
Kathy, I have to disagree with you, somewhat. This bill has teeth, and the word will get out, and some people will think twice. Look up the statues and punishments of this HB.

To me, it is similar to handgun control. Stop creating new laws and enforce the current ones. Mandatory, no parole, for criminals that use weapons in a crime.
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innocent until proven guilty. yeah maybe, but what if you are found innocnet? you still had to take the day off to go to court and go through all that hassle. also if its a class b offense, you'll have spent that time in jail. when you are found innocent, they just say sorry we made a mistake, but atleast you don't have any charges brought against you. well guess what? time is money and the hassle you go through even ifyou are innocent sucks. they should have something where if you are innocent they reembearse you for your time and what you had to put up with. that happened to me at a little incident last year on westheimer, good thing for the court system, hopefully they will compensate me for what i've gone through..............
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good point - I'm generally in favor of having fewer, but more enforceable laws. Creating new laws doesn't reduce crime.

Sad thing is that we rarely get an opportunity to "vote" on laws. The only real chance we have is when we serve on a jury. In Texas, we are allowed to judge the law as well as the facts of a case. So if you disagree with a law, you can let the person off.

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innocent until proven guilty. yeah maybe, but what if you are found innocnet? you still had to take the day off to go to court and go through all that hassle. also if its a class b offense, you'll have spent that time in jail. when you are found innocent, they just say sorry we made a mistake, but atleast you don't have any charges brought against you. well guess what? time is money and the hassle you go through even ifyou are innocent sucks. they should have something where if you are innocent they reembearse you for your time and what you had to put up with. that happened to me at a little incident last year on westheimer, good thing for the court system, hopefully they will compensate me for what i've gone through..............
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