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01-11-2010, 07:47 PM | #1 |
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whats the best way for me to get started in rally?
ok, heres the scoop, i have raced before, but only atv mx, i have never had a car on a track before, but i would like to try out rally, me and two other friends are very interested in building a car or two depending on how far our funds go. now what information i am after is this, what all do i need for my car to be legal for an event? as far as saftey and any other modifications needed, also, where is the best place to start? try a few scca rallys? and check out the very few small local ones? any info or links to info wouyld help and be appreciated, thanks
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01-11-2010, 08:49 PM | #2 |
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First - get a rule book.
Second - volunteer at performance events. It's the best way to learn what to do and what not to do, and to make contacts. Third - enter navigational evets. It will teach you and your co-driver a lot about working together, how to follow a routebook and how to do timing. Fourth - buy a used logbooked rally car. Don't build your own until you know what you're in for. Fifth - http://www.specialstage.com/ |
01-11-2010, 10:42 PM | #3 |
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Start selling shoes or double backflipping MX.
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01-11-2010, 10:59 PM | #4 |
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^^lol!
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01-12-2010, 04:54 AM | #5 | |
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01-12-2010, 08:31 AM | #6 |
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Rallyx teaches you basics about car dynamics on loose surface. TSD rallies teach you how to communicate with your codriver. Do those first, it really helps.
Buy your first rally car! It is really the best, cheapest, easiest way to start. |
01-12-2010, 09:36 AM | #7 |
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ppl often don't realize that performance rally is not just 2 guys hooning around in the woods....it's a team sport with MANY moving parts, all of which need to work together or else it's DNF time.
team includes: service crew, haul truck, trailer, spares up the wazoo, a road plan for lodging, meals etc etc so you need to start by learning the ropes...best done by volunteering with another team. pay attention whole learning the game and you will save cubic $$$ as opposed to jumping in with both feet by building a car and showing up at a rally in a clueless mode. You may end up paying a $1500 entry fee only to find you can't pass tech, or you make a timing mistake and lose 14 minutes (same thing as losing a rally) etc etc |
01-12-2010, 09:47 AM | #8 |
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randyzimmer.com - buy his book.
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01-12-2010, 03:32 PM | #9 |
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01-12-2010, 04:40 PM | #10 |
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I'm actually trying to head down this path myself (I've wanted to for quite some time actually) and I would have to agree for sure that buying a already built and log booked car someone is selling definitely seems to be the way to go.
Next would be getting to know yourself and your new found car a bit doing some RallyX events, and learning how drive well on loose surfaces (depending on what you do or don't know already), and as to not just go wad the car up first try out LOL. And then actually make the progression into doing stage rally. That's pretty much the basic plans I've set for myself and seems the best way to go. Although I will admit budget is also going to be a determining factor on the path I've chosen. I suppose if you had caboodles of money, you could buy the car, spend a boat load at Tim O' Neal having people that know what their doing get you up to speed, and then hit the forest. -Anthony |
01-12-2010, 04:42 PM | #11 |
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Oh yeah, and definitely get over to www.dirtyimpreza.com There are ton's of knowledgeable and friendly people there. Many of which are already participating in this sport, or have been for some time now.
-Anthony |
01-14-2010, 03:45 AM | #12 |
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OP, I hope you have money to burn...because your gonna need it.
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01-14-2010, 07:32 AM | #13 |
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It can be pricey, but it can also be done on the "cheap" (where cheap is a relative word).
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01-15-2010, 05:50 PM | #14 |
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MSI would recommend that you try to contact some competitors, shops, fabricators, etc that have been around for years. We all have different opinions on this. Costs can range from a few $k to sevral hundred for a season depending what you do.
-mark www.mooresport.com |
01-16-2010, 02:43 PM | #15 |
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I volunteered for a rally team a few years ago and we operated on a bare bones budget - and it still cost over $70,000 (not counting a little prize money) to operate for a season.
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01-17-2010, 01:04 AM | #16 |
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If you don't care about being competitive, and you have a car you don't break or crash, you should be able to do every RA for way less than that.
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01-17-2010, 02:46 AM | #17 |
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Get as much money that you can get your hands on first, then after that just drive really fast you will of course mess up a few cars along the way but its all good thats what the money is for. and wear a seatbelt
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01-17-2010, 03:30 PM | #18 | |
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buy a cheap low powered car that doesnt eat tires, use your tow rig as your DD, eat lots of ramen, sleep in tents during events and get a local micro brewery to sponsor you so you have something to drink at the after party and you are set. that reminds me of an old saying: How do you make a million dollars rallying? start with 2 million. here is another could one: never race something you cant afford to roll up into a little ball of steel. |
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01-19-2010, 06:35 PM | #19 | |
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im headed to the team o neil rally school here in a few months |
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01-19-2010, 08:32 PM | #20 |
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Lots of good advice posted above
Go slow and learn from others, and their errors. I'd been a rally enthusiast since the late 70s but caught the "red mist" in 2004. Since then I've volunteered for rally teams, navigated in 3 different cars, took many days of instruction at TON [best money spent-period], and looked dozens of used cars for sale; all before I sat in the left seat. In the past year I bought a very well set up rally car, have trained a navigator, packed my garage full of spares, and have built a great service team. Now I just need more time off from work to enjoy it all... IMO sliding around on gravel is only 20% of the rally challenge, but, yes, 90% of the fun. Rally is a huge time and money sink. Forget sponsorship, forget prize money. Learn to love ramen noodles and cheap beer/wine. I'm very glad to have gotten this far, but also look forward to being able to say "been there...done that..." I heard someone say at RNY event "rally is to the Irish the way oxycontin is to trailer trash" In 2011 I'll go through detox.... Next sport: Ice boating! |
01-19-2010, 09:25 PM | #21 |
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rally is like oxycotin(hillbilly herion)
****s expensive |
01-19-2010, 09:40 PM | #22 |
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01-19-2010, 10:38 PM | #23 |
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Or you could skip over all of that and have more fun and go faster on real tracks.
Wait for it... |
01-19-2010, 11:25 PM | #24 |
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I almost fell for that.
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01-20-2010, 12:12 AM | #25 |
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