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09-25-2005, 03:02 PM | #2 |
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i used to have a 87 chevy nova.
let me tell you. that was some muscle man...wow. 10 hp at the wheels yo! |
09-25-2005, 03:03 PM | #3 | |
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Welcome to American History 101. Please take a seat anywhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_energy_crisis Edit: UBB didn't like the first url. |
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09-25-2005, 03:03 PM | #4 |
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At least they gave the V8 back to the Impala.
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09-25-2005, 03:04 PM | #5 |
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09-25-2005, 03:10 PM | #6 |
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insurance rates and the catalytic converters killed muscle cars in the early 70s
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09-25-2005, 03:10 PM | #7 | |
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09-25-2005, 03:16 PM | #8 |
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What are you talking about? the energy crisis was only a temporary hindrance. People love speed and power, and will always prefer a car with both.
Now every 2.5RS and Accord can post 0-60 and 1/4 mile times that would have been respectably fast back in the 60's, if not very fast, and MB and BMW are locked in a power struggle that eclipses the 60's cars and boosts HP and speed throughout the auto industry by default. And most cars nowdays will outhandle a 60's muscle car. |
09-25-2005, 03:20 PM | #9 | |
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09-25-2005, 03:21 PM | #10 |
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i dont mind the cobra II, and i own a 79 trans am that i love.
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09-25-2005, 04:01 PM | #11 |
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Don't forget what they did to the Mustang in the early 80s...
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09-25-2005, 04:06 PM | #12 | |
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09-25-2005, 04:23 PM | #13 | |
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I can't believe even the slowest-witted of OTters doesn't know about the "Arab Oil Crisis" of 1973. That single event forever changed the automobile scene in the United States. The repurcussions of that single event effected our country and its economy more than the events of 9/11. We are talking about Americans killing Americans while waiting in 4-hour gas lines. It happened. After that event you could pick up a great pre-crisis muscle car for pennies. Dealers could not GIVE new ones away. American manufacturers were in a cold panic to deliver product that Americans would buy. Marketing and manufacturing were at their wits' ends trying to figure out how to push what they could actually make. The old-school American economy cars had straight-sixes that would be considered full-on gas-guzzlers by today's standards. And they were designed and built to be pieces of **** because the mfgs wanted to steer buyers to their more profitable upscale lines. Overnight, Cadillac buyers wanted better fuel economy without sacrificing luxury and young people still wanted a cool car but not a gas guzzler. Thus marks the beginning of the rock-bottom low point of American automobiles. It wasn't until the '90s before the US auto industry started to slowly claw their way back into the domestic market. It was during that dark era when UAWs were steadfastly driving their k-cars to work, wearing an expression of stubborn surrender. The cars were so poorly designed and built that mercifully hardly any made it into the new millenium. |
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09-25-2005, 04:26 PM | #14 | |
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09-25-2005, 04:27 PM | #15 |
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Right now the 60s to 1972 muscle cars seem to be very collectible. But as the 1973 to 1986 cars age, there are far fewer collectibles in this group. It was a long dry spell before the industry learned to get better MPG and speed.
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09-25-2005, 04:30 PM | #16 | |
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09-25-2005, 04:40 PM | #17 |
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OH PLEASE I know about the oil crisis, I was just pointing out the styling changes of the cars.
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09-25-2005, 04:41 PM | #18 | |
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And today's econo cars' performance would be VERY respectable back then, especially when they got to the first curve! But even back then it wasn't very hard to beat the muscle cars. A modded VW could take a stock GTO for half the price. If you had an STi or an Evo back then, people would be collapsing dead on the street from shock! I had a 1275s Mini and I had a blast messing with the muscle-boys heads! Later I had a bored and stroked VW with twin ID42 Webers that would blow away most muscle cars off the line. I knew people with advanced cams and heads running ID48s that could pull wheelies. (You had to re-engineer the way the engine and transaxle were tied to the car if you wanted to keep them together.) Now-a-days sleeper econoboxes are common. Back in the '60s and early '70s it was all about shock value! |
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09-25-2005, 04:43 PM | #19 | |
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09-25-2005, 04:49 PM | #20 | |
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09-25-2005, 09:02 PM | #21 | |
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09-25-2005, 09:28 PM | #22 |
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I dream about Carrera GTs
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09-25-2005, 09:43 PM | #23 | |
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For the record, my '76 Valiant looked nothing like the link above. She was baby blue with a white vinyl top. The tires were 185/70 R15's, iirc. Drum brakes all around, she was a brute of a machine with plenty of room in teh back seat for making out! She was purchased from the original owners, a retired couple in 1992 with 68,000 miles on it and garaged it's whole life. I was the first person to look at the car and got a helluva deal on college transporation - $800. The 2.0 in my WRX has more power than Victor's 318 ever dreamed of having, but she had plenty of torque to spin those pinner back tires. Braking required planning, and it didn't handle corners so much, rather, it negotiated them. I got very used to having people cut in front of me during rush hour traffic, as I always kept a large space cushion in front of me. Oddly, I miss that silly car. |
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09-25-2005, 09:47 PM | #24 |
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There were Muscle Cars in the 60's that would hand most current production sports cars their asses.
L88 Corvette http://www.corvettelegends.com/l88.htm - Supposedly had around 600hp, and they did in fact run 10s from the factory on slicks. Similar with the ZL-1 Camaro... that thing took no prisoners, and would rape a carerra gt on the 1/4 |
09-25-2005, 09:51 PM | #25 |
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Listen you guys are correct on most fronts, but I would still say the MAIN reason muscle cars (and ALL cars) sucked ass in the 70's was not the oil crisis, but in how out of touch the US car makers had gotten with the market. They had gotten complacent, lazy and were churning out the same old, same old.
They bitched and cried over the new safety standards that were kicking in at the time instead of spending money on R&D and actually getting the job done. They did the exact same with new environmental laws - spent millions on lobbying for easier restrictions, instead of spending that money on better engineering. And all the while, these small, high quality and fuel efficient cars from Japan were creeping into the market and people were gobbling them up. Instead of changing their tune, the US car makers kept on keepin' on their old antiquated ways. I don't see that big of a difference really with what is happening now in the car business. Same BS line from the US car makers that cars can't be made more efficient and always complaining about this and that, yet Honda just introduced their new hybrid Civic that gets 50 MPG. |
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