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02-15-2013, 07:48 PM | #26 |
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I predict that the cheap interior materials of the BRZ/FRS will not hold up well after massive UV exposure.
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02-15-2013, 07:50 PM | #27 |
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02-15-2013, 07:52 PM | #28 |
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02-15-2013, 10:56 PM | #29 | |
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Subaru and Scion haven't had any problems selling cars. The only place it's some kind of failure is on this forum. I could do without a convertible though. |
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02-15-2013, 11:07 PM | #30 | |
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02-16-2013, 08:15 AM | #31 | |
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And you might ask yourself why kC didn't buy one... because the car might come in a convertible. And the days go on... water flowing under me... --kC |
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02-16-2013, 09:20 AM | #32 | |
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A fail that the Solstice experienced was that there was a hardtop that could not be stored in the vehicle. You had to purchase the extra soft-top if you wanted a roof on the go. |
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02-16-2013, 11:52 PM | #33 |
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02-17-2013, 04:05 AM | #34 |
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Convertible? really? ive not heard one person say they wish it was availabe As a convertible... you know what i have heard though? A resounding "it needs more power!" how can they sell the brz for 28k and expect to sell them when you can get a mustang gt w/ 420 hp! for 30k! They either need to substantially drop the price or they need to throw a high winding 6 in there w/ 280-300 hp and sell it for 30k.
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02-17-2013, 07:50 AM | #35 |
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Obviously that's the new Z4 roadster test mule
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02-17-2013, 09:37 AM | #36 | |
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Right. Because they are not selling enough now to justify a convertable. |
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02-17-2013, 10:11 AM | #37 |
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I park next to one in the mornings. It's really a tiny car, so I don't see why 200hp bothers people....
Grow up, gas is going to be $5+/gallon eventually. You'll have to "lower your standards." As if Europe is void of small cars that are fun to drive. |
02-17-2013, 10:31 AM | #38 |
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The 997 911 came out in 2004 with 340hp. The most recent version with the same chassis just went on sale with 612hp. My point being, it's more important to get the chassis right first, and then power can be added easily. More powerful versions will no doubt be coming soon enough. If you don't think 200hp is enough, and aren't comfortable modding your own car to get more power, I'm sure you'll get your wish soon enough. The reason smart people (basically every car reviewer out there) are getting excited about this car, and forums trolls are constantly complaining about the power, is that the smart people see the potential this chassis has. Even the engine people on forums are constantly bitching about has shown tremendous potential to hold up well over 400hp with stock interals, and less than a year after going on sale it is already close to 200whp NA with some pretty inexpensive parts. If you think this car is not powerful enough, you are not seeing the big picture.
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02-17-2013, 12:03 PM | #39 |
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You're missing the point of this car, if you're in it for the power.
And I'd love to see the longetivity of a 400 whp GT86 over the long term. |
02-17-2013, 12:51 PM | #40 |
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Subaru and Toyota has provided a great platform for car enthusiast. Look at the TRD Griffen concept and what they are doing with a full exhaust and tune for engine mods.
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02-17-2013, 01:06 PM | #41 |
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Oh fine, I'll come out of the closet and say making it a convertible makes it more appealing for us to purchase as a "fun" car. I might take it to a track once in awhile, maybe an autocross or two, but primarily it's for enjoyable weekend driving with my wife. Open air adds to the fun factor for plenty of folks. Personally I'd prefer a compromise... a targa top.
I'm glad it's designed primarily as a coupe, so the focus can be on handling & structure... the guys who track it frequently will still get a car designed for that, and I appreciate that. Last edited by keepclam; 02-17-2013 at 01:11 PM. |
02-17-2013, 01:17 PM | #42 |
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It was designed primarily as a convertible. The chassis rigidity is/was already present for it to lose the top.
Hence, the ultra stiff and responsive chassis. --kC |
02-17-2013, 02:26 PM | #43 | |
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...in my pants... That thing is sexy as hell, and I'm not a fan of the BRZ at all. Looks too plastic-y. But this one is an entirely different monster! |
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02-17-2013, 02:58 PM | #44 | |
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That wasn't part of the argument... Yeah they are selling but if they'd listen to most of the complaints about this car it's the lack of power... Some people simply arent buying it because it's not fast enough for the price. Again, I haven't heard anyone say, "I'd buy it if it was a convertible". If they'd make a more powerful version, they'd definitely sell them. It could be a drivers car that could also be scary fast if they'd give it 280-300 hp. Hell even Lotus uses the Toyota 3.5 v6 in the Evora, doesn't seem that far of a stretch of the imagination to throw a version of that engine in the FR-S/BRZ. That would keep it NA, around 30 mpg's and shut up all the naysayers all at once. |
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02-17-2013, 03:28 PM | #45 |
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sential... are you blissfully unaware, or are just plain ignorant, to what it means when they had to increase production on these cars to meet demand?
So the argument you're making is nonsensical. This more than proves that those who decry "more hp" just... don't... get... it, because they are exceeding sales expectations, even with "not enough" hp. --kC |
02-17-2013, 03:34 PM | #46 |
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They are selling them as fast as they can build them (unlike the Evora, btw). Making it a convertible is much easier from an engineering perspective than putting in a new engine, especially since the convertible was probably developed right alongside the coupe. It's an easy way for them to freshen it up for the next model year and pick up the sales that will be lagging once the hype dies down.
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02-17-2013, 03:36 PM | #47 | |
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02-17-2013, 03:52 PM | #48 | |
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But then we'll still see people complain about the fact that the BRZ still doesn't have enough power when it has enough given the weight and intended purpose which is NOT to enlarge the penis size of men who need something to supplement their lack of manliness. |
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02-17-2013, 04:25 PM | #49 | ||
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Count the number of remarks in regard to this car stating "I wish it was a convertible, then I'd buy it". Then count the number of people stating "I wish it had more hp". It should be clear what the most desired attribute for this car is... Yes I know this is a well balanced car, and it's meant for the twisties... But it's not an either/or situation.. You can have both...a car that handles like its on rails and puts your head in the back seat when you mash the pedal. |
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02-17-2013, 04:35 PM | #50 |
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I am around a lot of Ford guys. When the Mustang GT 500 came out, how much HP did it have? What does it have now? People will always want more HP.
And I disagree with the statement about "complaints" about more HP. Everything I have read, it is more they would "like" more HP but continue to sing praises about the car. MOST of the complaints about not enough are from modded WRX/STI owners that, what do ya'll call it, "race on paper", "straight line racing"; that haven't even driven one. Shut up already. If it gets more, you can be happy. Probably still won't buy one. |
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