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Old 03-25-2013, 05:35 PM   #301
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Actually... the two guys have the right to say whatever they want, publicly or privately. Richards has the right to be offended or not, and tweet about it or not. Both the companies have the right to fire their employees over it.

All the freedom of speech right guarantees is that none of these people are going to go to jail over their free speech protected comments. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with protection from the fallout that comes with saying or tweeting stupid ****.
This, exactly.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:36 PM   #302
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This, exactly.
Quite true.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:40 PM   #303
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Eavesdropping is the act of secretly listening to the private conversation of others without their consent, as defined by Black's Law Dictionary.[1] This is commonly thought to be unethical and there is an old adage that "eavesdroppers seldom hear anything good of themselves...eavesdroppers always try to listen to matters that concern them."[2]
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In some cultures, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space, however civil inattention is a process whereby individuals are able to maintain their privacy within a crowd.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:47 PM   #304
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Expectation of privacy is a legal phrase.

If the picture posted of these two guys is accurate, they would not be able to claim an expectation of privacy for their conversation.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:01 PM   #305
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Expectation of privacy is a legal phrase.

If the picture posted of these two guys is accurate, they would not be able to claim an expectation of privacy for their conversation.
Agree.

However, expectation of privacy is a far cry from a private conversation.

You can have a conversation in public with someone else and have it be private. There's no expectation of privacy, but it IS just a conversation between the two of you. It's not intended for public consumption.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:58 PM   #306
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What ever happened to talking to other people?

"Hey guys, could you please stop with the jokes? I'm a little offended."

If they kept on, fair game. But most decent people would say sorry and shut up.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:03 PM   #307
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I had a cab driver in Vegas that told racist jokes all the way to the hotel with all ethnic persons on board in said jokes. Many lolz were had because they were jokes, and everyone knew they were jokes.

Don't people ever get tired of being offended by everything? Guess not.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:27 PM   #308
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I had a cab driver in Vegas that told racist jokes all the way to the hotel with all ethnic persons on board in said jokes. Many lolz were had because they were jokes, and everyone knew they were jokes.

Don't people ever get tired of being offended by everything? Guess not.
I heard you stick your dongles in forks.
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How does that make you feel?
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:25 PM   #309
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I think the concept might be too complex for you, but Matt K is putting restrictions on what you can and can't talk about in a public place, a restriction that does not exist. In fact, its not even sexual harassment...
No, I'm not. You can say whatever the hell you want. But if you're in a public place you can't then tell people they shouldn't have been listening to what you said because it was "private".

I am commenting on ONE small aspect of this whole conversation, and a lot of you don't seem to be quite able to grasp that.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:27 AM   #310
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Were they all being paid to be there on a company dime? One little aspect people that travel for work should keep in mind is they're representatives of the company when being paid to attend.

They should be acting as professional as the companies culture allows for. Reap what you sew and all that. I look at it as if the company allowed them to joke around like that in house... and I'm fine with it if that's the case.

However, 2 wrongs don't make a right, and while they could have not joked about it, she escalated it to eleven in zero to WAPCE speed, flat.

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Old 03-26-2013, 07:52 AM   #311
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If you are using up emotional energy being offended by what a stranger says, you have a problem. Not to mention no one can offend you without your permission.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:56 AM   #312
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I don't care if she heard what they said accidentally or on purpose... How does a little innuendo using the world "dongle" constitute something that some is legitimately offended by to the point of making a public case of it?

For everyone saying "Yeah she should have said something and then they probably would have apologized" I say they should have said "How about shutting the **** up, whiner?"

What the **** is wrong with people. "OMG someone said something that implied a penis I'm SO OFFENDED because I don't have one." Freud would have a heyday with this.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:05 AM   #313
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Were they all being paid to be there on a company dime? One little aspect people that travel for work should keep in mind is they're representatives of the company when being paid to attend.

They should be acting as professional as the companies culture allows for. Reap what you sew and all that. I look at it as if the company allowed them to joke around like that in house... and I'm fine with it if that's the case.

However, 2 wrongs don't make a right, and while they could have not joked about it, she escalated it to eleven in zero to WAPCE speed, flat.

--kC
Troof. Things you can say until you're blue in the face on your own time don't necessarily fly when you're representing your employer.


The more I think about this, the more I think this woman was completely out of line. Even if it was a clear sexual innuendo, it was neither demeaning nor objectifying to any party--not even the subject of the comment.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:34 AM   #314
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Just wanted to say that I had to google "forking a repo"

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...ch-clone-track

After skimming through some of this, it seems clear that this bitch was looking to be offended and just had no idea what they were talking about.

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A repository is simply a place where the history of your work is stored. It often lives in a .git subdirectory of your working copy - a copy of the most recent state of the files you're working on.

To fork a project (take the source from someone's repository at certain point in time, and apply your own diverging changes to it), you would clone the remote repository to create a copy of it, then do your own work in your local repository and commit changes.

Within a repository you have branches, which are effectively forks within your own repository. Your branches will have an ancestor commit in your repository, and will diverge from that commit with your changes. You can later merge your branch changes. Branches let you work on multiple disparate features at once.

You can also track individual branches in remote repositories. This allows you to pull in changes from another individual's branches and to merge them into a branch of your own. This may be useful if you and a friend are working on a new feature together.

There are lots of great git books online. Have a look at ProGit and Git Magic to get started, as well as the official tutorials and community book.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:57 AM   #315
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Yeah, and a dongle is a piece of hardware, not a penis. Thanks for the recap, genius!
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:44 AM   #318
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No, I'm not. You can say whatever the hell you want. But if you're in a public place you can't then tell people they shouldn't have been listening to what you said because it was "private".

I am commenting on ONE small aspect of this whole conversation, and a lot of you don't seem to be quite able to grasp that.
Your statement makes no logical sense. Two people are having what they think is a private conversation, then you have a third person "listening" in...that is the definition of eavesdropping. Even in public, you can tell people "you should not have been listening" or rather, you should not be intentionally listening in on what appears to be a private conversation.

Mind your own business.

My main concern is that we should be able to have conversations without having to worry about eavesdroppers filling lawsuits based on what they 'overheard' or thought they heard which offended them.

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Old 03-26-2013, 10:58 AM   #319
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Your statement makes no logical sense. Two people are having what they think is a private conversation, then you have a third person "listening" in...that is the definition of eavesdropping. Even in public, you can tell people "you should not have been listening" or rather, you should not be intentionally listening in on what appears to be a private conversation.

Mind your own business.
And those guys shouldnt have been having a conversation that could be viewed as offensive by other people while attending a company event.

Update for your edit.

We live in a society that is dominated by what is Politically Correct, so go ahead and throw out any thoughts you have about how people should mind their own business, or turn the other cheek when they hear, see or experience something they do not like.

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Just another example of someone shouting to the heights of the interwebs something they wouldn't do in person.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:11 AM   #321
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And those guys shouldnt have been having a conversation that could be viewed as offensive by other people while attending a company event.

Update for your edit.

We live in a society that is dominated by what is Politically Correct, so go ahead and throw out any thoughts you have about how people should mind their own business, or turn the other cheek when they hear, see or experience something they do not like.
I don't think anyone but Adria Richards at that conference would have found the harmless joke to be offensive. In effect what you are saying is, control what you say in public for fear of people like Adria Richards. No thanks.
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I read the first page and got the nerdiest boner.
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I don't care if she heard what they said accidentally or on purpose... How does a little innuendo using the world "dongle" constitute something that some is legitimately offended by to the point of making a public case of it?

For everyone saying "Yeah she should have said something and then they probably would have apologized" I say they should have said "How about shutting the **** up, whiner?"

What the **** is wrong with people. "OMG someone said something that implied a penis I'm SO OFFENDED because I don't have one." Freud would have a heyday with this.
At the same time, she makes jokes with her male friends about stuffing socks down their pants to impress TSA agents, on the very same Twitter she used to complain about these two guys.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #324
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The fork joke was explained in the op. It's a complement.
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ha, what a crock of ****. if a guy is a little bitch, he's treated the same way. Women want to be in the same environment, they should get used to being treated like a little bitch, when they are a little bitch.

If a guy is a little bitch, I'm going to hope he gets treated like a little bitch, if a girl is a little bitch, I'm going to hope she gets treated like a little bitch. that's how it works, no favoritism, just lashing out at little bitches of all sexes.
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