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06-07-2013, 01:34 PM | #26 |
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I'd like to see a more scientific comparison like LL. Different drivers, different track conditions, there are a lot of things that could have skewed these results. This is list is just a consolidation of various results over the years, which makes it suspect.
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06-07-2013, 02:11 PM | #27 |
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That's why I took the advice of Andrewtech and went with just a front sway and endlinks on my car and spent the extra money on control arm bushings for the front and rear instead. The front bar is what needs the most attention on a GR.
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06-07-2013, 02:18 PM | #28 |
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On my car, the rear needed more help, just adding the STi rear bar made a world of difference. Unless of course you like the rear end to not follow the front when cornering, which to me was unnerving after owning a MINI Cooper S.
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06-07-2013, 02:28 PM | #29 |
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06-07-2013, 03:32 PM | #30 |
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Agreed on all points, the sti rsb helped immensely. No more understeer, unless of course I do it wrong. Then again, I don't race/autox so none of it is all that important.
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06-07-2013, 05:15 PM | #31 |
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That really wasn't my point. The cars the WRX has outrun is impressive given it's very tame suspension. I'm not surprised the Track Pack GT did better given the upgrades for that option. There's no doubt in my mind a WRX with an alignment, $90 STI swaybar, and $600 worth of dampers would be giving the Track Pack Stang a big run for it's money.
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06-08-2013, 12:22 AM | #32 |
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I could be mistaken, but I believe reading somewhere that the BRZ and FRS have the exact same rear set up, with the front being sliiightly softer in the BRZ for better daily commuting than the FRS. Interesting that this plays out as an advantage though over the FRS. Again I could be very wrong. I'll try to find where I read that....
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06-08-2013, 01:21 AM | #33 | |
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06-08-2013, 01:11 PM | #34 |
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My mistake.
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06-08-2013, 01:33 PM | #35 |
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Very surprising but nice to see.
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06-08-2013, 01:45 PM | #36 | |
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06-08-2013, 02:53 PM | #37 |
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Frightening. Still don't understand why Ford cheaper out on the DS on the V6 Stangs. I also don't know why people keep pushing these cars past 120mph knowing the DS can't handle it. It will fail. Period.
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06-08-2013, 02:57 PM | #38 | |
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Kind of the same thing as the wrx vs sti. If you want something that isn't going to blow transmissions and can handle brake temps buy an sti not a wrx. |
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06-08-2013, 02:59 PM | #39 |
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Dive shaft failure at those speeds could be extremely fatal causing the car to flip. If you look at muscle track cars you'll see the smart ones have drive shaft cages.
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06-08-2013, 03:25 PM | #40 | |
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Extremely fatal? as in more than just a little fatal? "muscle track cars" have driveshaft loops because they are one piece and usually fairly heavy duty. They could potentially flip the car if the front fails and catapults. The flimsy two piece driveshafts found in most modern cars and the v6 mustang buckle and/or explode with very little potential to flip the car. |
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06-08-2013, 03:52 PM | #41 | |
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06-08-2013, 04:07 PM | #42 |
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The V6 Mustang breaking driveshaft thing....is really freaking scary. o.o
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06-08-2013, 05:19 PM | #43 | |
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Here is a link to the motortrend streets of willow lap times: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...bsts_take.html Same driver, Randy Pobst. Same 1.55 mile configuration, all runs in the dry. Would it be ideal to have a super mega test on the same day with the same temperatures? Sure. Are the results still valid and be used for comparison purposes? Sure. Otherwise, the car and driver lightning lap results wouldn't be a basis for comparison. And all the Nurburgring lap times would go out the window too. Thoughts on Car and Driver at VIR vs Motortrend at Streets of Willow. The Streets is a tighter configuration that favors the WRX's awd handling more. On top of that, Randy Pobst is a professional race car driver that came up through the ranks via autocross and production car racing. He can drive a production car to 100% of it's limits. The enthusiasts over at car and driver, while competent, cannot extract 100% of the WRX/STI's potential in the corners, thus the high hp cars do better in the Car and Driver test. Just my 2 cents. |
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06-08-2013, 08:52 PM | #44 | |
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06-08-2013, 09:52 PM | #45 |
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People looking for scientific research to rub in people's faces by citing a magazine test seems kinda silly. LL, Willow Springs, it's all the same - selling magazines, not furthering science.
It's good to see it, of course - it's just silly to gloat about it as if there's some kind of victory in it. If you like how a car drives, enjoy it. Quoting from a magazine about how your car is better than another makes me think you don't really know much about driving. |
06-08-2013, 09:54 PM | #46 |
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I love the HP+ pads I swapped my stockers out with along with some Motul race brake fluid. Especially coming from track cooked pads and boiled fluid. The cold bite is really good, and once warmed up it's excellent. Definitely a little noisy at drive through speeds and more dust, but hey that's how it goes with good pads.
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06-09-2013, 01:14 AM | #47 | |
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This is nothing new. Ford and chevy still do it to this day. Racing improves cars and product. How does that saying go... win on sunday, sell on monday. |
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06-09-2013, 01:53 PM | #48 | |
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How else is one to evaluate something without testing it and putting some sort ranking or testing data to it? When shopping around, don't you want to get the best bang for your buck rather than getting some glitzy dud? You need measurements to evaluate if what you've done to the car is really an improvement. Sure, you need to like other aspects of the car as well, but most of us want something that's a solid performer. |
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06-09-2013, 03:36 PM | #49 |
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mustang owners... hahahahahhaa
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06-10-2013, 02:19 AM | #50 |
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so if you took a sample of 1000 people on nasioc, you know more about cars than 990 people? that's a lot.
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