Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday March 29, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Subaru Models > Impreza Forum

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-21-2012, 11:25 PM   #10651
SleepNMnky
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302491
Join Date: Nov 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Buffalo, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza 2.0i Pr
Dark Grey Metallic CVT

Default

On a side note, for 3 months I had only seen one other 2012 on the roads around me... my car's twin... DGM hatch. This past weekend I saw 8 more 2012s around, ALL hatchbacks. Happy everyone's getting their cars.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
SleepNMnky is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 03-21-2012, 11:25 PM   #10652
ST Eye
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 73068
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MD
Vehicle:
2008 STI Boost Wagon
2014 Honda Accord Hybrid

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MINIz guy View Post
Yes, which is what Zeeper keeps bringing up. I did grind my gears on my first transmission, but I could count on both hands the number of times that has happened. When I was first learning, and I'm not saying I've stopped learning now, I was very gentle with the transmission to get a feel for it.
First off, I'm not here to pass judgement. We all had to learn how to drive stick at some point. No worries. What was the problem with your original transmission? It made a droning noise IIRC? Did it grind in any gears? When you did grind gears, did you push forward into the gear following the grind? I'm just asking for my curiosity.

Regarding the slight grinding you hear when coasting then putting it in 5th gear. I would definitely be rev matching when in motion. If your intention is to save gas, you don't want to slow the car down by not rev matching. When I'm trying to hypermile my STI (to get 19 MPG instead of 18 ), I will sometimes hold the clutch in when going downhill. This allows you to coast in pseudo-neutral, and not have to do any shifting! Give that a try and I think you'll be happy with it.
ST Eye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2012, 11:27 PM   #10653
SleepNMnky
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302491
Join Date: Nov 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Buffalo, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza 2.0i Pr
Dark Grey Metallic CVT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ST Eye

First off, I'm not here to pass judgement. We all had to learn how to drive stick at some point. No worries. What was the problem with your original transmission? It made a droning noise IIRC? Did it grind in any gears? When you did grind gears, did you push forward into the gear following the grind? I'm just asking for my curiosity.

Regarding the slight grinding you hear when coasting then putting it in 5th gear. I would definitely be rev matching when in motion. If your intention is to save gas, you don't want to slow the car down by not rev matching. When I'm trying to hypermile my STI (to get 19 MPG instead of 18 ), I will sometimes hold the clutch in when going downhill. This allows you to coast in pseudo-neutral, and not have to do any shifting! Give that a try and I think you'll be happy with it.
I think he was just testing his car for another poster to see if he could replicate what they were experiencing. Like when I tested my decibel levels upon his request even though I didn't have a sound issue myself.
SleepNMnky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2012, 11:27 PM   #10654
ST Eye
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 73068
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MD
Vehicle:
2008 STI Boost Wagon
2014 Honda Accord Hybrid

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepNMnky View Post
On a side note, for 3 months I had only seen one other 2012 on the roads around me... my car's twin... DGM hatch. This past weekend I saw 8 more 2012s around, ALL hatchbacks. Happy everyone's getting their cars.
Sedan > Hatchback.

Wait, I have a 5 door STI.
ST Eye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2012, 11:29 PM   #10655
ST Eye
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 73068
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MD
Vehicle:
2008 STI Boost Wagon
2014 Honda Accord Hybrid

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepNMnky View Post
I think he was just testing his car for another poster to see if he could replicate what they were experiencing. Like when I tested my decibel levels upon his request even though I didn't have a sound issue myself.
Gotcha, well the advice goes to all those that are having this issue.
ST Eye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2012, 11:29 PM   #10656
SleepNMnky
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302491
Join Date: Nov 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Buffalo, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza 2.0i Pr
Dark Grey Metallic CVT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ST Eye
Sedan > Hatchback.

Wait, I have a 5 door STI.
I just in general don't like trunks. Mine end up a black hole & the contents never see the light of day again. YOU have the best of both worlds.
SleepNMnky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2012, 11:39 PM   #10657
ST Eye
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 73068
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MD
Vehicle:
2008 STI Boost Wagon
2014 Honda Accord Hybrid

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepNMnky View Post
I just in general don't like trunks. Mine end up a black hole & the contents never see the light of day again. YOU have the best of both worlds.
My cars are all spotless with nothing in them. It kind of became a force of habit since I used to autocross regularly and you cannot have anything in your car that is loose.

BTW I think the ECO meter in the '12 has taught me how to drive better. In my STI I was able to average 23 MPG on local roads. I never was able to get that high before! The trip computer in that car always reads 1-2 MPG high just like the '12 Impreza. You figured they would have come up with a better system for estimation by now.
ST Eye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2012, 11:53 PM   #10658
SleepNMnky
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302491
Join Date: Nov 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Buffalo, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza 2.0i Pr
Dark Grey Metallic CVT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ST Eye
My cars are all spotless with nothing in them. It kind of became a force of habit since I used to autocross regularly and you cannot have anything in your car that is loose.

BTW I think the ECO meter in the '12 has taught me how to drive better. In my STI I was able to average 23 MPG on local roads. I never was able to get that high before! The trip computer in that car always reads 1-2 MPG high just like the '12 Impreza. You figured they would have come up with a better system for estimation by now.
So I know there was a method for Canadian models to adjust their gauge, does anyone know if there is a way to do that on the US model? I'm gonna ask my dealer to adjust it if they're able to.
SleepNMnky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:02 AM   #10659
subiedude676
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 241369
Join Date: Mar 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Emmaus, PA
Vehicle:
2012 2.0i Premium
Ice Silver Metallic

Default

Just picked up my '12 this morning.

subiedude676 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:10 AM   #10660
aindfan
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 250146
Join Date: Jun 2010
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sport
Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus View Post
At least be very gentle pushing the lever back into 5th gear on the next transmission to reduce excessive heat on the 5th gear synchro. Rev-matching (in neutral, prior to the gear change) would be even better.
Thank you very much for the highly technical explanation of my experience - I appreciate that you've taken the time to go through in such great detail. When I started noticing the grind, I tried to read up on how the transmission and synchros really work, and your post finally cemented what I had read (for those looking for a good demo, check out
of a cut open transmission with each gear demonstrated).

To everyone else - yes, when I run up the engine before depressing the clutch and shifting into gear, there's no grind. I am not forcing the shifter into any gear. In my past stick shift experience (1998 Camry, 1998 Maxima, 2010 Impreza) I had never experienced grinding gears under any circumstances (unless I had not pressed the clutch all the way to the floor during a shift), so I interpreted this behavior as a fault with the synchronizer. My dealer opened a case with Subaru Engineering and are waiting for another 2012 to try this with, but in the mean time I'll stick to engine run-up if shifting to neutral at high speeds.

Thank you very much for the replies, and I'm sorry if this topic brought on a small war of sorts - consider the issue closed and carry on with your regularly scheduled thread. I'll echo what many others are saying: I'm very happy with this car. The fuel economy, road noise, and driver comfort improvements over the 2010 Impreza have been huge for me (every now and then I put 700 miles on the car in a weekend, so the quieter, smoother ride has been fantastic).
aindfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 07:04 AM   #10661
Zeeper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 299286
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
2017 Legacy Limited
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ST Eye View Post
First off, I'm not here to pass judgement. We all had to learn how to drive stick at some point. No worries. What was the problem with your original transmission? It made a droning noise IIRC? Did it grind in any gears? When you did grind gears, did you push forward into the gear following the grind? I'm just asking for my curiosity.

Regarding the slight grinding you hear when coasting then putting it in 5th gear. I would definitely be rev matching when in motion. If your intention is to save gas, you don't want to slow the car down by not rev matching. When I'm trying to hypermile my STI (to get 19 MPG instead of 18 ), I will sometimes hold the clutch in when going downhill. This allows you to coast in pseudo-neutral, and not have to do any shifting! Give that a try and I think you'll be happy with it.
Except for this (warning, multiple pages of information about coasting in neutral vs staying in gear to save gas, I'll admit I am in gear more now than before I engaged in this thread):

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ing+in+neutral

Also, holding in the clutch for extended periods causes premature wear to the throwout bearing (I can hear it now, "but I had over 200,000 miles on my last manual transmission holding the clutch in and the throwout bearing was fine"). It will probably last the life of the transmission, that does not mean it doesn't wear when you hold the clutch in for extended periods.

Last edited by Zeeper; 03-22-2012 at 07:16 AM.
Zeeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 08:05 AM   #10662
JamesWilson2
ForumWars Winner!
 
Member#: 196948
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Kyle, TX
Vehicle:
2003 Forester
Silver

Default

I have a 9am meeting at my dealership, they say they have to order a bunch of parts for the airbag system that are not out yet. I don't really want to drive it or let my wife drive it around while we wait for the parts to come in. This is a known issue with the airbags, and at least I had been taking pictures of the display with mileage each time the problem occurred. The first time I had it in, the service advisor told me there is nothing wrong with it and I was probably looking at a different warning light. There is an open ticket with SOA, but the way it's being handled is just not tactful.

When the Impreza got stuck in the mud, it got the underside very muddy, even after powerwashing it there is still some left. They are claiming abuse on the car because it is dirty. Absolutely ridiculous. I really wish the Service Manager would have called to speak with me before the Advisers/Writers threw all this at me.

I am going to be firm and ask for a loaner vehicle while the Impreza is in waiting on airbag parts, or just turn it in and let them deal with it. That'll be up to the GM and the Service Manager.

I am really a huge fan of this dealership and expect them to make it right as they normally do, hopefully this is just a hiccup along the way.
JamesWilson2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 09:49 AM   #10663
Zeeper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 299286
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
2017 Legacy Limited
White

Default

If suspension parts are damaged is that because it arrived from Japan like that or was it from your off-road trial (or do you think they saw the mud and just claimed the suspension is damaged)
Zeeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 09:53 AM   #10664
ocellaris
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302559
Join Date: Nov 2011
Default

Where is the post that details the off road trial?
ocellaris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 09:59 AM   #10665
Zeeper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 299286
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
2017 Legacy Limited
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post
Where is the post that details the off road trial?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5#post36423535

Search for other posts under JamesWilson, not too hard to find. I guess it isn't too detailed, except to say he got stuck in the mud more than once and had to have the car pulled out. I wonder if the suspension is bent from pulling it out of the mud -- or if it is just muddy.

Autocross, offroad mudding with a base model on 15" wheels, and towing with a CVT. A perfect trifecta for his dealer to complain about.

Last edited by Zeeper; 03-22-2012 at 10:16 AM.
Zeeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 10:03 AM   #10666
79letour
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

Iys buried in this megathread.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 10:11 AM   #10667
79letour
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

When I took my car in, they said I didnt keep it clean enough... I told em if want to pour out a redbull in the floor every morning its none of their business. Fwiw we repaved the driveway at work and there was limerock dust on the car.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 11:53 AM   #10668
ocellaris
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302559
Join Date: Nov 2011
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeeper View Post
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5#post36423535

Search for other posts under JamesWilson, not too hard to find. I guess it isn't too detailed, except to say he got stuck in the mud more than once and had to have the car pulled out. I wonder if the suspension is bent from pulling it out of the mud -- or if it is just muddy.

Autocross, offroad mudding with a base model on 15" wheels, and towing with a CVT. A perfect trifecta for his dealer to complain about.
Thanks for the link. I would love to see a pic of the suspension damage. Should be pretty easy to tell if any damage came from the factory, or came from experimenting off road.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
When I took my car in, they said I didnt keep it clean enough... I told em if want to pour out a redbull in the floor every morning its none of their business. Fwiw we repaved the driveway at work and there was limerock dust on the car.
Damn I have never heard of that from any dealer. Is your car leased?
ocellaris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:02 PM   #10669
JamesWilson2
ForumWars Winner!
 
Member#: 196948
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Kyle, TX
Vehicle:
2003 Forester
Silver

Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeeper View Post
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5#post36423535

Search for other posts under JamesWilson, not too hard to find. I guess it isn't too detailed, except to say he got stuck in the mud more than once and had to have the car pulled out. I wonder if the suspension is bent from pulling it out of the mud -- or if it is just muddy.

Autocross, offroad mudding with a base model on 15" wheels, and towing with a CVT. A perfect trifecta for his dealer to complain about.
No "offroading" occurred, got my car stuck while trying to pull someone else out after 6" of rain on a gravel road. My mistake for thinking a Subaru could do that . We only used the factory tow hook, or the rear trailer hitch with a recovery strap on the ball mount. Considering that most driveways and country roads in central Texas are not paved, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to expect a car owner to drive on an unpaved road every now and again.

Just got back from the dealer, after lots and lots of research, there is a new TSB on the airbags and they are replacing the passenger seat base under warranty. Loaner car on the way. I got them to sort out the other problems and cool the jets of one service writer, the Service Manager did me right and things are smoothed out.
JamesWilson2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:25 PM   #10670
somebody else
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 21618
Join Date: Jul 2002
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: southern California
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xafen View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALafya View Post
(off topic) Looks like the hood does not align with other panels in the front of the vehicle. Has something happened to it (sorry if you already mentioned it before)?
I noticed this as well the other day after washing and waxing. The edges of the front on the outside edges of the grill stick up ~1/4".
Do any of the panels or the hood actually "stick up" or are you just noticing the hood's "overbite" with the grill. The overbite is part of the design and its primary purpose is to cut the cost of having a precisely-fitting panel. It's a simple way of accommodating "tolerance stacking". Having pieces that overlap instead of fitting precisely is common in all industries.

Close examination of this car -- the cheapest and highest-mileage car Subaru makes -- shows multiple instances where costs have been cut and where features have been compromised in the name of high mileage.

I'm not entirely pleased with all the choices Subaru made, but I do understand them.
somebody else is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 01:01 PM   #10671
Zeeper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 299286
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
2017 Legacy Limited
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWilson2 View Post
No "offroading" occurred, got my car stuck while trying to pull someone else out after 6" of rain on a gravel road. My mistake for thinking a Subaru could do that . We only used the factory tow hook, or the rear trailer hitch with a recovery strap on the ball mount. Considering that most driveways and country roads in central Texas are not paved, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to expect a car owner to drive on an unpaved road every now and again.

Just got back from the dealer, after lots and lots of research, there is a new TSB on the airbags and they are replacing the passenger seat base under warranty. Loaner car on the way. I got them to sort out the other problems and cool the jets of one service writer, the Service Manager did me right and things are smoothed out.
Does that mean there was no suspension damage like they told you on the phone?
Zeeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 01:59 PM   #10672
79letour
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

Nope my car isn't leased. The dealer is just a real sleazy bunch of lazy liars. Bill Bryan Subaru. Never again will I buy a car from them. I like the car but almost want out of it justcbecause the dealer sucks so badly in every aspect of their service. Even with the '12 having the easiest oil filyer to get to, thwy managed to dump oil all over the engine and engine bay.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 03:12 PM   #10673
79letour
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

I just got a call from a "legal representative" of Bill Bryan Subaru. Seems they didnt like my Better Business Bureau complaint
I'm going to call them back at my convenience when I'm not working. Hopefully my issues will be addressed. Anyone having dealer probs, I highly suggest the BBB.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 04:28 PM   #10674
grzydj
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 84984
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza 2.5i 5D
'04 Toyota Tacoma TRD

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
I just got a call from a "legal representative" of Bill Bryan Subaru. Seems they didnt like my Better Business Bureau complaint
I'm going to call them back at my convenience when I'm not working. Hopefully my issues will be addressed. Anyone having dealer probs, I highly suggest the BBB.
Good for you. Glad you're finding some kind of resolution to your issues.
grzydj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 04:35 PM   #10675
ocellaris
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302559
Join Date: Nov 2011
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
I just got a call from a "legal representative" of Bill Bryan Subaru. Seems they didnt like my Better Business Bureau complaint
I'm going to call them back at my convenience when I'm not working. Hopefully my issues will be addressed. Anyone having dealer probs, I highly suggest the BBB.
BBB complaints work great for real problems. A few years ago I got a smoking hot deal on a Toyota Corolla after a dealer lied to me about cost and financing (twice!) when I was checking one out. The dealer was an hour away so that sort of stunk. But the real problem was that they had the incorrect information all over their website advertising, and they never fixed if after I had wasted two trips down there plus contacted the web guys and the service managers. I just wanted them to fix the website errors so more people like me didn't waste time or work out deals that the dealer wouldn't honor.

Filed a BBB complaint and a few days later I had a new Corolla
ocellaris is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Possibly looking into a 2011 or 2012 Impreza? xenonk Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 2 03-08-2020 05:34 PM
2012 Impreza STI concept art khaki_man Member's Car Gallery 37 03-15-2011 02:02 AM
Newsflash: 2012 Impreza looks like BigElm's Butt WagonMonster Off-Topic 4 02-28-2011 07:11 PM
2012 Impreza Concept Zakster87 General Community 14 11-17-2010 04:09 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.