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Old 03-27-2009, 08:54 AM   #1
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Default And this is why the Chinese won't be entering the US car market any time soon...

http://jalopnik.com/5185849/chinese+...uro-crash-test

Chinese-Built Brilliance BS4 Scores Zero Stars In Euro Crash Test

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The Brilliance BS4 might look like an MG copy-paste-job, but there's a key distinction. The BS4, like the BS6 before it, has scored zero stars in Euro NCAP crash testing. Yup, here come the Chinese! In a virtually unprecedented tag-team of failure, the BS4 has followed the bigger BS6 in completely failing the Euro NCAP crash test standards. Mangled wreck after mangled wreck at Germany's ADAC testing facilities illustrates why it is the Chinese, or at least Brilliance, won't be storming the shores of Europe any time soon. Okay, okay, the BS4 is considerably better at maintaining the passenger envelope compared to the BS6, but that car folded up like a umbrella, so that doesn't say much. These results seem to indicate the previous BS4 crash we saw, where the occupants survived, was indeed an act of divine intervention.
This thread is for all the people out there that bitch and complain about why we have so many safety regulations in the US (and Europe)... enjoy.
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Old 03-27-2009, 08:59 AM   #2
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This thread is for all the people out there that bitch and complain about why we have so many safety regulations in the US (and Europe)... enjoy.
Frankly, I don't see how your post changes anything with those people.

Those who complain about the safety regulations are those willing to shoulder the risk of products which are less safe. They don't want the regulations because it does not let them decide their level of protection (and therefore, indirectly, their ability to have lightweight, cheaper cars, etc.).

I have a proposition:

Make any cars sold here that don't pass the crash-test standards single-seaters. Or, give thorough warning to any occupants that they are driving in a non-approved car. (complete with a retractable pen and waiver holder extending from the center console)
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:02 AM   #3
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might look like an MG copy-paste-job, but there's a key distinction
Early MGs were not that great either. My Dad had one; the frame was made out of ... wood!
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:05 AM   #4
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watching the video looked like it held up pretty well... although the results do tell the tale and i couldnt see what happened with the dummy driver's legs
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:52 AM   #5
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the model number already says it, " BS "
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:03 AM   #6
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What bothers me the most is, they can reverse engineer a lot of the technology but not crumple zones? Or safety in general? Or do they just not care? Money issues? What is the deal here!
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:08 AM   #7
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Before we all go crazy, please read the full story:

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Back in 2007, Chinese automaker Brilliance made international news when its BS6 sedan failed crash tests performed by the ADAC (Germany's version of our AAA) in fantastic (and frightening) fashion. The crash tests were performed according to Euro NCAP guidelines at the time, and the mangled heap of metal that remained was truly horrific.

Brilliance is back with the BS4 sedan, and again the ADAC has performed its full battery of crash tests, though this time using newer Euro NCAP guidelines that take into account the availability of electronic stability control as standard equipment and potential damage to pedestrians. How'd it do? Just like the Brilliance before it, the BS4 scored zero stars.

It's not all bad news, though. Under the old Euro NCAP guidelines, the BS4 would have achieved three stars, a score that the BS6 needed two tries and a structural redesign to match. Even watching video of the BS6 crash test compared to video of the BS4, it's apparent that Brilliance has learned a thing or two about how to keep car from folding up like an according during a frontal impact. Still, it wasn't enough to score a single point in the new tests, which means Brilliance once again needs to go back, makes some changes and try again.
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:10 AM   #8
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According to the YouTube Comments...

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Shenanigans! This is considerably better than the BS6 as anyone can clearly see. The passenger compartment is pretty much intact after both the front and side impacts.

I went to ADAC's website, and the reason this got the low score is the recent change in crash test standards in their NCAP program a couple months ago. The lack of ESP, speed limiter and seat ball warner (WTF) ruins its score.

This car would've gotten 3 stars by the old standards.
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:22 AM   #9
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Did you see that dummy's head though, and his arm? Also we can't go judging cars from old crash tests. Finally the dummy's legs don't look good...
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:26 AM   #10
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OK, its still pretty bad though.

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What bothers me the most is, they can reverse engineer a lot of the technology but not crumple zones? Or safety in general? Or do they just not care?
They want to sell the car in Europe so they must care somewhat. I wonder if the quality of the steel used has something to do with it. They could copy a car exactly but if the steel is crap it won't be as strong as the original.
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Old 03-27-2009, 10:53 AM   #11
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I don't know about "any time soon" - the first car that crumpled up was only two years ago. They're making huge strides.
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:01 AM   #12
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watching the video looked like it held up pretty well... although the results do tell the tale and i couldnt see what happened with the dummy driver's legs


The floor was torn up, intrusion from the pedals, bare sheet metal cutting up the legs and the dummy's head went through the airbag.
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:24 AM   #13
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I don't quite see any of that really makes difference. Safety standard is always evolving. And yet other companies are able to score well even with the moving target. Was Brilliance the only car company that didn't get the memo?
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:18 PM   #14
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China is still a couple decades away from building a quality car.
It will happen, but like Toyota in the 60's and Honda in the 70's, it's going to take time.
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:42 PM   #15
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Those crash tests look horrifying...
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:48 PM   #16
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Frankly, I don't see how your post changes anything with those people.

Those who complain about the safety regulations are those willing to shoulder the risk of products which are less safe. They don't want the regulations because it does not let them decide their level of protection (and therefore, indirectly, their ability to have lightweight, cheaper cars, etc.).

I have a proposition:

Make any cars sold here that don't pass the crash-test standards single-seaters. Or, give thorough warning to any occupants that they are driving in a non-approved car. (complete with a retractable pen and waiver holder extending from the center console)
This is America. You don't have the freedom of choice. The government will decide for you.
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:52 PM   #17
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This thread is for all the people out there that bitch and complain about why we have so many safety regulations in the US (and Europe)... enjoy.
I have no problem with safety standards. I have problem when the car is fine in Europe but magically unsafe in USA.
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Old 03-27-2009, 01:02 PM   #18
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The floor was torn up, intrusion from the pedals, bare sheet metal cutting up the legs and the dummy's head went through the airbag.
Just look at his wrist... and heads going through airbags, I don't see how this could have scored well on the old test.
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Old 03-27-2009, 01:35 PM   #19
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how did it get 3 stars before than -.-
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The lack of ESP, speed limiter and seat ball warner (WTF) ruins its score.

This car would've gotten 3 stars by the old standards.
This is exactly why some standards and test are stupid. I couldn't care less if a car had these 3 things. Sometimes a little bit of logic would help.
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Old 03-27-2009, 01:51 PM   #21
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how did it get 3 stars before than -.-
They use a 100 star rating.......

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This is exactly why some standards and test are stupid. I couldn't care less if a car had these 3 things. Sometimes a little bit of logic would help.
You mean, it's stupid to penalize a car for not having what has proven to reduce fatal accidents by 30~40%? How do you feel about the airbag then?
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My video will not work today ,I want to view it too.DSL in country sucks 100 bucks a month for nothing..
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You mean, it's stupid to penalize a car for not having what has proven to reduce fatal accidents by 30~40%? How do you feel about the airbag then?
you mean that seat belt ding reduces accidents? Interesting.
again some logic would be great.
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you mean that seat belt ding reduces accidents? Interesting.
again some logic would be great.
Ok, fair enough. Of course I meant the ESC, which really does save lives.
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