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Old 05-15-2006, 04:14 PM   #1
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Default Whiteline 27 mm adjustable front sway bar on 02 Wagon!

Just installed the STI specific XSF33XXZ (aka X3003) front 27 mm sway bar on my 2002 wrx wagon. This has been a mod that has been rumored to work, but in all my searching i couldnt find anyone who had done it and confirmed that the setup worked. I am running the whiteline KLC38 spherical bushings to allow for better fitment. The endlinks themselves are a bit narrower than the OEM ones... This worked well, as the XSF33XXZ bar is a bit wider than the OEM bar (see pics). The endlinks sit straight and the bar is mounted inboard of the links just like the OEM bar. Good fitment in my opinion. Gonna get more pics in the next few days, and will post them.

Here's the puny 20 mm front next to the 27 mm whiteline:





the car is a lot flatter in corners... noticed more understeer in slower corners, but in general it grips A LOT better... but right now, i am on the crappy RE92 tires... once i put my pirelli pzero neros back on i can test it out better.... once i get the rear bar i bet the car will handle phenomenally... for now just want to try it out in an autox with the good tires to see how she does.
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Old 05-15-2006, 05:19 PM   #2
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What alignment are you running? The larger front bar holds your static front alignment settings better than the stock one, but if your alignment is crap then it won't do much good to hold crap better or for longer.
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Old 05-17-2006, 02:54 AM   #3
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I'll be trying this myself... look for my report in ~2weeks
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Old 05-17-2006, 07:49 AM   #4
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What alignment are you running? The larger front bar holds your static front alignment settings better than the stock one, but if your alignment is crap then it won't do much good to hold crap better or for longer.
Subscirbing to thread............I too am interested in this size bar. What do you think about, 0 front toe, 1/2 to deg. neg camber front, 1 deg neg. rear camber and 1/2 degree toe in rear? I think this big bar would make the car easier to rotate? The last thing I need to more understeer.
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Old 05-17-2006, 08:57 AM   #5
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we have a TON of these in stock.

We tried this yesterday after one of my employees said....." dude, that is totally a great mod for Wags...."

then a customer called and ordered one.....



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Old 05-18-2006, 05:48 PM   #6
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What alignment are you running? The larger front bar holds your static front alignment settings better than the stock one, but if your alignment is crap then it won't do much good to hold crap better or for longer.
well the whole reason why i got the bar was because i hit a curb in an auto-x. The endlink and bushing cracked and i was planning on doing front/rear bars anyways so i decided to upgrade now. I have not gotten an allignment yet - I am actually bringing it in tomorrow morning to the dealership to get it alligned... have been out of town all week. I am gonna shoot for all factory specs (0 toe all around), probably factory spec rear camber, and maximized front camber. I've been asking a lot of auto-xers on the board and it sounds like the maxing out front camber is good, as long as toe is zero all around, as toe, not camber, eats tires (especially with the way I drive). the tires i use for auto-x are worn on the outside of the treads, so maxing out camber should get me somewhat better wear (that in combination with the stiffer front bar).

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Subscirbing to thread............I too am interested in this size bar. What do you think about, 0 front toe, 1/2 to deg. neg camber front, 1 deg neg. rear camber and 1/2 degree toe in rear? I think this big bar would make the car easier to rotate? The last thing I need to more understeer.
well it handles better but i wouldnt say it "rotates"... it turns in sharper and feels A LOT more solid, and the steering response feels a lot better... but if you corner hard it does understeer. I am getting a rear bar that will probably even things out very nicely. But IMO the "gained" understeer makes it much more worthwhile as the car just handles so much better and can corner much harder... it doesn't rotate though.

As for the .5 toe in the rear - from what i've heard you want 0 toe all around... or at least keep whatever the stock specs are. The OEM spec for front camber is 1 degree 20 min., - I will just max it out as i do a lot of autox so even if that would affect tire wear it won't affect MY tire wear...

I like the front bar as I can still run DS... once I get my good tires on and another autox under my belt I will be able to let you all know my true impressions of this bar.

bluesky99 - let me know how it goes and what you think about the bar. I have pics of mine (including the custom lateral lock kit i made) but havent gotten them uploaded yet. I actually need to re-center the bar and retighten everything as i noticed that it had slid to the side a bit after i drove it... i think the lateral lock kit (if you go with the KLC38 endlinks anyways) might be a good idea, or just retrofit it like me
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Old 05-18-2006, 09:48 PM   #7
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I am thinking more and more about this bar. I think I'll have to call Myles.......

Durmiente, I think you should get an Anti Lift kit, if you haven't already. It's an awesome mod and will help "turn in" tremendously. I track my car once in a while and it helps big time.
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Old 05-18-2006, 10:54 PM   #8
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I am thinking more and more about this bar. I think I'll have to call Myles.......

Durmiente, I think you should get an Anti Lift kit, if you haven't already. It's an awesome mod and will help "turn in" tremendously. I track my car once in a while and it helps big time.
He autocrosses.

The ALK will bump him into a class that he would barely stand a chance of finishing last in.
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Old 05-18-2006, 11:42 PM   #9
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He autocrosses.

The ALK will bump him into a class that he would barely stand a chance of finishing last in.
yep. FP I think. I'd probably be racing alone locally (which would be no fun) and if there was competition it would be insane.

STX seems pretty nice for me but right now DS (until i get that rear bar).
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Old 05-19-2006, 01:19 AM   #10
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finally got the pics. Here you go:

The pics show the endlinks pretty good i think... they actually angle slightly inwards (not what i was expecting at all). The last picture shows my "custom" lateral lock kit (a 24 mm ID hose with a hose clamp). The idea here was to put something between the D-bush and the point at which the bar goes from 24mm to 27mm to prevent lateral movement, as i noticed that the bar was not perfectly centered after driving it for a while.... I installed this when the bar was off center, hoping that it would self-center; it didnt, though. tomorrow morning i was thinking of loosening up the D bush brackets (hopefully i can do that without pulling off the subframe brace again) and center the sway bar again... then retighten the lateral locking kit... it seems to have worked well as the bar hasn't moved from its original off-center position. Just need to start it at the right place now...







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Old 05-19-2006, 01:27 AM   #11
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Do Whiteline 27mm fsb come with collars? Mine didn't...

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Nevermind, I can't read for crap

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Old 05-19-2006, 07:00 AM   #12
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He autocrosses.

The ALK will bump him into a class that he would barely stand a chance of finishing last in.
Oh, I did not know that.

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Old 05-19-2006, 08:37 AM   #13
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Old 05-19-2006, 09:57 AM   #14
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didnt you say that you mounted the endlinks inboard of the sway bar though? My setup bolted up the same as stock (endlinks outside of sway bar)...
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Just received 27mm front and rear bars, they'll be going on soon. First impressions: They are BIG!
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Old 05-25-2006, 09:42 PM   #16
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remember to try 27 front 24 rear before 27/27 to get impressions either way
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Great thread! I just ordered my Whiteline 27/29mm fsb from Patrick at boxer4racing.com! I'll get it next week.
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Old 06-15-2006, 06:05 PM   #18
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Hmm this is interesting...
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Old 06-15-2006, 06:53 PM   #19
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Has anyone confirmed it working on a 2004 wrx sedan? I've only seen sti fitment before this.
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Has anyone confirmed it working on a 2004 wrx sedan? I've only seen sti fitment before this.
STi front bar = WRX front bar.
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wtf i thought front bars were wagon specific??!
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STi front bar = WRX front bar.
I don't think they are the same length
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Old 06-15-2006, 08:45 PM   #23
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So, yes, wagon front bars are specific. In particular, the sedan bar appears a bit wider than the wagon bar. But, I managed to fit the large bar in my '02 wagon. FWIW. I'll post pictures later.
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I don't think they are the same length
You fail... STi fsb and WRX fsbs are swappable...
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STi and WRX sedan bars interchange.

Wagon bars are normally narrower, but this thread domonstrates that this particular bar fits the wagons too.
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