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Old 05-16-2006, 12:09 AM   #1
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Alright, have a question for the people more experienced with tires/rubbers/whatever you wanna call them. Using the RE92s right now on my WRX, and hoping to eventually get tires for late spring/summer/early fall use, after and before theres a ton of snow around, to use for autox and general driving, then either keeping the 92s for winter use, or if I can find a good year round set thats not terrible in autox use that.

But my problem is, my knowledge of tires is basically non existant, I have no idea where to even start for which companies or which model of tire or any of that, any chance anyone could get me goin in the right direction? Was gonna go in the tire forum but thought some of the guys who know what's goin on in this area might be a little more insightful with good tires for here
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Old 05-16-2006, 12:27 AM   #2
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tirerack.com has a lot of information, you should check it out.

EDIT: what i said earlier in this post was out of angry about other things. i completely retract my statement. les schwab is a good shop that does good work.

falken makes great tires,

i recently did a lot of research because i was in the same situation as you. i could give you a few ideas of tires. which do you care about more, miles or traction?

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Old 05-16-2006, 12:31 AM   #3
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don't go to les shwab for anything, they are not as helpful,and not seamingly as forthcomeing in their answers .
Careful greg.. that is not nice.. ,
BTW I did an edit. gots to play nice.
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Old 05-16-2006, 12:45 AM   #4
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do not use re92's as winter tires. do not do not do not use them as winter tires. get some toyo proxy 4 or prelli pzero ms all season tires adn use them year round. they will be better than 92's in the wet.
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Old 05-16-2006, 01:30 AM   #5
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I'd say the pzero m/s for an all-season, but if you want to split it up I'd vote WinterSport M3's obviously for winter and for summer I'd vote the Falken Azenis or Kumho Ecsta MX.

Of course it still depends on what you really want out of your tires.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:16 AM   #6
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i vote pretty much dead on with SilverJA. Ideal scenario would be one set of wheels with some good snow tires (Dunlop Wintersports are awesome, i ran the M2s for years), and then some awesome summer/auto-X tires, such as the Ecsta MX.

The first thing to figure out is if you can swing 2 sets of tires (snow/summer), ideally each on a differnet set of wheels (just so you can easily swap 'em off/on). Mainly because auto-x you want soft sticky tires such as the two SilverJA mentioned (falken azenis / kuhmo ecsta MX / there are also some others, but these two rule!). The downside of having awesome auto-x tires is that they are aweosme auto-X tires which means they're softer and grippier, but that also usually means they'll wear faster than your typical highperfornace all-seasons or even just a regular z-rated summer tire that might not make for an awesome auto-x tire. If you end up with some awesome auto-x tire, know that they'll also pretty much be a deathwish in the snow, so you'll need anotehr set of tires in the winter, so although your RE92s will get you around, a full set of snow tires will get you anywhere, anytime in a subaru (says me!).

But, I would say it depends how many miles you put on your car, and also how much you plan to auto-x. If you drive tons (~20k+ miles/yr) then you'd be wearing out your awesome auto-x tires with all of your everyday driving, and probably be dissappointed at how often you have to buy new tires. But if you live/work in SLC and simply take some occiaional road trips, then you'll be fine and you'll love some sticky tires. If you drive tons, and only expect to auto-x a few times/year, i think somethign like the PZero M/S is probably up your alley or osmething similar, but i'm not as familiar with the middle-of-the-road tires, but they'd also get you around ok in the snow i think, and still be better than the RE92s.

On my WRX i had a set of Wintersport M2s on the stock wheels, and Kuhmo MX's on my 17" summer wheels. For my current car, my RS, i have some Nokian's on steelies for the winter, and Falken Azenis on my goldies for the rest of the year. I love having two sets of tires, makes things easier. I drive from SLC to Ogden to work every day on these Falkens and they're wearing a lot faster than other tires would, but i loooove them, they're sticky icky icky.

What i would probably do in your shoes, is get some good 17" wheels (Rota's are cheap) and some good summer tires like the Kuhmo MXs. You'll love the good tires and the 17"s look tons better than the stockers... Then when winter comes you've got your RE92s on the stocker wheels which can get you around, but if you end up with cash, replace those with snowies. Having two sets of tires and one set of rims is a pain to get 'em swapped, you've gotta load up your car, go pay to have 'em swapped each time. With 2 full sets of rims, you just swap 'em in your driveway... if you swapped 'em too early in the spring and it snows, just swap 'em back in your driveway, takes 15-30 min maybe.
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do not use re92's as winter tires. do not do not do not use them as winter tires. get some toyo proxy 4 or prelli pzero ms all season tires adn use them year round. they will be better than 92's in the wet.
For the budget minded.. the Toyo Proxy 4's have worked well for me on my car. Good in winter and all right in summer. And have pretty good wear on them. I can still snap the back end around in the summer or winter with them on. But they feel good running from St. George to Mesquite in the gorge at *speed* , If you know what I mean.
So there is my report on those tires.
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Old 05-16-2006, 12:17 PM   #8
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RA-1's........FTW.....
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Old 05-16-2006, 04:41 PM   #9
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check this link, this is what I went by. I love my tires.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=UHP
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Old 05-16-2006, 04:49 PM   #10
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www.vulcantire.com has some great deals on Falken Azenis 615's. I swear by these tires, pure grip.
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Old 05-16-2006, 05:31 PM   #11
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I'm all about the Good year Eagle F1 GS-D3's I currently have these on my car and couldn't be happier with them.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ay.jsp?type=MP

plus they were 148 each when i bought them.
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Old 05-16-2006, 08:00 PM   #12
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www.vulcantire.com has some great deals on Falken Azenis 615's. I swear by these tires, pure grip.
Ya, this is where I got my Falken's... plus he's local.

And for about $112 a tire, how can you go wrong?
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Old 05-16-2006, 09:57 PM   #13
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Thanks guys you're awesome

I'll take a look at the kuhmos and falkens, not sure yet if I'm wanting to do 2 sets or 1, leaning more towards 2 so I'm not drivin in the winter with tires gettin worn down in the summer from autox, but still gotta look at budget and all.

Around how much does it take to get the wheels fitted with the tires and all that? Is that something I'd need to go down to say like Big-O, and say 'hey I need these mounted.' and they do everything or would i need to take them home and put my car on the jack and put them on myself? Like I said, complete newb to all this don't even know that
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falken 235/40/R17 FK451s from Big-O

mounted and everything is like $525, thats what i did a few weeks ago.
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Around how much does it take to get the wheels fitted with the tires and all that? Is that something I'd need to go down to say like Big-O, and say 'hey I need these mounted.' and they do everything or would i need to take them home and put my car on the jack and put them on myself? Like I said, complete newb to all this don't even know that
You'd need a tire shop to mount the tires on your wheels, unless you happen to have a tire-mounting-machine (not sure what they're called, haven't used one since shop class in high school). But i think a place like Big-O charges somewhere in the ballpark of $40 to mount/balance all 4 if you didn't buy from them, but it'd be worth calling around, i'm sure they're not the cheapest. So if you had just 2 sets of tires and only one set of wheels (your stock set), you'd be visiting them once in the fall and once in the spring to have 'em swapped.

Upside of having 2 sets of rims/wheels is you can swap 'em yourself as often as you need. For some reason i always get excited end up putting my summer wheels on too early, then have to swap my snowies back on, funky Utah weather. Downside is it's not cheap (to me anyway), yer lookin at ~$1000+ for a full set of tires/wheels if you go the Rota route, which i recommend. There's nothin better than accidentally curbing a wheel, getting sad, then realizing it's not a $500 wheel and smiling...then frowning because your wheel's still scuffed.
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Awesome, thanks sand. Is it possible to unmount tires? Say get a pair of winter tires at a later time and just use the stock wheels? Think if I end up gettin a set this summer I'll go against reasonable judgement and use the stockers for winter til I save up a little more again, just not sure if I can throw down 2,000 right now for 2 sets of tires and all.
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get 2 sets of tires and have them mounted on 2 different sets of tires, so when it starts snowing, you just switch the wheels.

thats what i did, stock wheels w/ stock tires for winter (i dont have money for other tires)

rotas w/ falkens for the summer
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get 2 sets of tires and have them mounted on 2 different sets of tires, so when it starts snowing, you just switch the wheels.

thats what i did, stock wheels w/ stock tires for winter (i dont have money for other tires)

rotas w/ falkens for the summer
Same here... stock wheels with WInterSports and Rota's with Azenis for summer. Can't beat it!
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Awesome, thanks sand. Is it possible to unmount tires? Say get a pair of winter tires at a later time and just use the stock wheels? Think if I end up gettin a set this summer I'll go against reasonable judgement and use the stockers for winter til I save up a little more again, just not sure if I can throw down 2,000 right now for 2 sets of tires and all.
yeah, you can always get the tires taken off. I say you start with what rally_on says, and just plan to use your stock wheels/tires in the winter, and get a differnet set of wheels/tires for summer, you'll enjoy the look and peformance of a set of 17's... then when it snows, just use your stockers until the tires wear out, or until you get cash to replace 'em with snow tires.

all of this is relative to how much cash you have though, you could easily get by with a set of decent higher performance summer tires and just put on your stock wheels for now, then when it snows put those stock RE92s back on... someone above was saying "never never never drive the RE92s in the snow" but they're fine if yer on the cheap, they're just not a great tire. But, what you don't want to do is buy new awesome summer tires for your stock wheels, then decide next year you want 17's with summer tires and now you've got a bunch of extra near-new tires that you need to find someone to sell 'em off to.
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hey guys, sorry to bump such an ancient thread, but figured itd be better than posting a new one....actually going to get tires this time around Just curious what the general consensus is for summer/autox tires, is it still azenis/ecstas? been around tire rack a little and just hearing not the best reviews for them, loud etc, but I trust nasioc before tirerack, especially around here Hoping not to spend *too* much but wanna get the job done with some decently lasting tires
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I like toyo's for summer tires, T1R or T1S are nice, the azenis RT615 are nice too, if you need snow tires, I have soem that are less than a year old for cheap.
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I'd say it depends on how much daily driving you do versus auto-x. I'd say the EcstaMX, Azenis RT-615 or RT-215 are all awesome tires, great for auto-x (the azenis maybe a bit better), but part of what makes them so awesome for autox is that they're soft/sticky which means they're more likely to wear faster.

If you want to get the most mileage out of your tires, you're going to have to sacrifice some of the awesome auto-x-ness of the tires. Soft/sticky = awesome for auto-x but will wear faster. Longer lasting, smoother comfort tires = not so great for auto-x. So you'll need to find a balance. If relying on the Tirerack reviews, do some sorting on the type of driving folks do and read the reviews. A non auto-x-er that buys some awesome race-type tires will probably complain that they wear too fast or ride a little harsh.

Of course, my reasoning for buying such awesome tires in the past was that they were cheap enough, and awesome enough grip, that i'd rather have killer tires even if i had to buy new ones more often. That's where Kuhmo's make me happy. They be cheap.
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I'd say it depends on how much daily driving you do versus auto-x. I'd say the EcstaMX, Azenis RT-615 or RT-215 are all awesome tires, great for auto-x (the azenis maybe a bit better), but part of what makes them so awesome for autox is that they're soft/sticky which means they're more likely to wear faster.

If you want to get the most mileage out of your tires, you're going to have to sacrifice some of the awesome auto-x-ness of the tires. Soft/sticky = awesome for auto-x but will wear faster. Longer lasting, smoother comfort tires = not so great for auto-x. So you'll need to find a balance. If relying on the Tirerack reviews, do some sorting on the type of driving folks do and read the reviews. A non auto-x-er that buys some awesome race-type tires will probably complain that they wear too fast or ride a little harsh.

Of course, my reasoning for buying such awesome tires in the past was that they were cheap enough, and awesome enough grip, that i'd rather have killer tires even if i had to buy new ones more often. That's where Kuhmo's make me happy. They be cheap.
The ones I was looking at were the Ecsta SPT's...how are kuhmos for life-length? I'm not entirely to concerned but I'd love for a set to last me maybe 2-3 summers of doing an autox every few weekends.
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dude, it doesnt matter what tires say the life is. they all last the same amount of time, too short. just get some sicky ass tires
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