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Old 02-11-2011, 11:14 AM   #451
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^2: it's the same at 08-10
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:10 PM   #452
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On the 2011 impreza WITH NAVI HU, i am wanting to install an amp and sub out of an old car. I bought a LOC and planned on doing it that way. I havent had time to take out the HU. Got some questions.----

1. If i use the LOC, is it best to do it behind the HU or closer to rear speakers??
It's better to grab the speaker wires behind the HU. Otherwise you would either need to dig them out of a bundle under a door sill, or (worse) fish new wires into the rear door hinge conduits.

The easiest way to do it is using a pair of 14-pin forward/reverse harnesses, so you won't have to cut or splice any of your factory wires. You'll need to make sure the harnesses have wires on all 14 pins (many omit the orange/white dimmer wire). See my homepage link.

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2. I have searched for a pinout with color code for wires for the 2011 w/navi hu and have no luck. I hear the wiring and whole setup may possibly be different from the 08-10 models. Do you know if it is the same or not? Do you have access to this info so i know which wires i got back there?
Nearly all of the connectors on your 2011 Navi HU have the same pin-outs as 2008-2010 models. The only change I know of is that 2011 has a new amplified microphone module in the map light cluster. The HU still uses the same 5-pin connector, but I think the audio signals are different.

Does your 2011 have the Bluetooth microphone? Is it in the map light cluster? Or is it still on top of the steering column, as on 2008-2010 models?

Your 2011's 24-pin Navi harness is exactly the same as 2008-2010 (including same colors). See my table in the 2nd half of this post.

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3. I have also heard there may possibly be a sub and remote amp wire back there already? you know if this is true? Can you give me your honest opinion on the best way to go about installing my amp and sub.
Yes, 2011 Navi HUs still have the line-level subwoofer output with amp remote turn-on wire (used for the OEM sub in some Foresters outside of North America). You can wire an RCA jack to those pins, to connect directly to your amp (instead of needing to use a LOC). As a huge bonus, you'll be able to use the Navi's on-screen menus to adjust the sub settings.

I may be able to provide an RCA cable with pins that you can snap into your car's 24-pin harness. Contact me by e-mail for details (see link in my profile, or see my homepage).
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:22 PM   #453
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ok thanks a ton!! im going to see what i can do....havnt had much time to mess with it lately....
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:20 PM   #454
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ok the connectors from what it appears to me is a lot different than the 08-10 models. reason being the 2011 navi unit has a removable tom tom which also acts as the display for the radio. there is a 16 pin connector and 14 pin connector side by side which has most the wires going into the back of the unit. not the same connector as the previous years at all.

here is the 16 pin connector. So the question is .....which color wire is which? if i am right, it is a different connector but the same amount(14) wires as the previous years. and looking at SVXdc's page http://ae64.com/WRX-pinout.htm
the colors match the after market color wiring exactly. So my first thought is now to just match those colors up and start jammin.. i will post the pics up soon. and i hope i am answering my own question and peoples questions with 2011 navi units after me!

[1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8]
[9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16]


1--white/black
2--white
3--gray
4--gray/black
5--green/black
6--green
7--purple
8--purple/white

9--n/a
10--blue
11--n/a
12--orange
13--orange/white
14--red
15--yellow
16--black
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:36 PM   #455
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:37 PM   #456
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14 pin harness



back of 2011 navi hu...can take better pic of need be
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:19 PM   #457
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ok the connectors from what it appears to me is a lot different than the 08-10 models. reason being the 2011 navi unit has a removable tom tom which also acts as the display for the radio.
Ah, that is definitely a different HU. I should have been more explicit. I think some Impreza and/or Forester models still get a Subaru Navi HU similar to the one used in 2008-2010. That type is made by Kenwood specifically for Subarus. The one with the Tom-Tom piece may be an aftermarket unit (similar to how some Canadian 2011 models can have a Pioneer AVIC-U310BT as the "factory" HU).

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the colors [on the HU's 16 pin connector] match the after market color wiring exactly [on my pin-out table]
That's a good bet the wires have the functions shown in my table for those colors. And it sounds even more likely this is a really an aftermarket HU.

Before you splice into those wires, try following them further back into the dash -- you may that your car actually has the same 20-pin factory harness used on other 2008-2011 models, along with an adapter that converts to your HU's 16-pin harness. I'll bet your HU's 14-pin harness goes to a similar adapter that converts to the factory aux/mic harness.

Does your center console have a USB socket too? Does your steering wheel have the new phone/Bluetooth buttons (Off-hook, On-hook, and Talk)?

Your picture links aren't working. Could you please upload them to one of the image-sharing sites (photobucket, imageshack, tinypic, etc) and update your post with the links?

Many of those hosting sites provide pre-formatted links for forums. The link will display a thumbnail and open the full-size picture when clicked. That will avoid the site suspending your pictures due to using excessive bandwidth (which can happen if you post links to a bunch of full-size pictures in a forum).

I (and I'm sure many others) would love to see clear pictures of the front, label (on top or bottom), rear, and close-ups of the harnesses and any adapters Subaru uses.

ADDED: There are a few pictures of the front in this thread:
2011 Impreza Premium w TomTom - Sirius radio?
It looks very similar to an Eclipse AVN4430. Regardless, you may find RCA jack(s) on the back for a subwoofer output. Then you won't need to use the LOC. Your blue wire may work for the amp remote turn-on (or that could be one of the empty slots -- either pin 9 or 11 in your table).

Look closely where the orange and orange/white wires connect. Aftermarket HUs usually don't need both of the illumination wires like the OEM HUs do. One of them may really be parking brake, reverse gear, or Vehicle Speed (VSS). ADDED: Or this HU could have been customized to work with Subaru's dual illumination/dimmer signals, just like OEM Subaru HUs.

ADDED: Eclipse AVN4430 installation manual is here (PDF). Other manuals (operation, navigation, etc.) here.

ADDED 8/27/2011:
mountaingoat (an Outback owner who worked on someone's 2011 Forester) posted a couple of pictures of the rear here. At the far right edge of one picture, you can see the light green parking brake wire that he has already extracted. That color is different than what Eclipse uses on a normal aftermarket AVN4430. From what I can see, the rear looks the same as an AVN4430.

I spoke to Eclipse's tech support. They say that the Subaru HU is definitely different than a normal AVN4430. He claims that some of the internal circuitry has been omitted (for features not used in the Subaru version).

Googling the Subaru part number, H001SSC800, I found the installation instructions for the OEM HU 'kit' on Subaru's TechInfo site: 2011 Impreza and 2011 Forester (which includes connection to OEM rear camera 8-pin harness).

From those, I see that the cars have the same factory wiring for the OEM Kenwood Navi (14-pin power/speaker and 24-pin Navi harnesses, and Subaru proprietary antenna plug). As subaruprez11 mentions in a later reply below, the OEM "native" 14-pin radio harness was buried deep in the dash behind the HU. The Tom-Tom HU kit includes adapter cables to connect to the factory harnesses. It also connects to the OEM H621SAJ220 aux+USB pod in the armrest center console (pod is not included in the kit). Subaru's adapter harness includes a leg with an iPod dock connector.

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Old 02-22-2011, 09:58 AM   #458
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I am not sure if this has been discussed before, but some aftermarket head units only have one active blue "remote" or "power antenna" wire, even if both are on the harness that comes with that aftermarket head unit. This is why it can be confusing. You have to look at the installation manual for your specific model number, so see if one or both blue wires are active.

Example: I installed a JVC head unit this past weekend. Everything worked fine except the radio reception was not great. After my friend and I looked for information we came across the original thread with info. I looked up the instruction manual for his JVC head unit, and found out that even though there are two blue wires on the harness, only the blue wire with white stripe actually connects to anything on the aftermarket JVC head unit. The other blue wire is not connected to anything, and that is the one I connected.

I have a Kenwood head unit that I have never had any problems with reception. I looked up the instruction manual for my Kenwood, and it shows that both blue wires are actually connected to something in my Kenwood, and that is why it works. One blue wire powers the antenna amp, the other blue wire is the remote wire for my amps...

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Old 02-24-2011, 05:30 PM   #459
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Can an XM tuner be connected to the Clarion 6 disc changer that comes in the 2007 Impreza??
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:37 PM   #460
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Can I hook up a stock WRX sub to my 2001 outback head unit? I is the stock casset player with the stock in dash 6cd below.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:24 PM   #461
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Can an XM tuner be connected to the Clarion 6 disc changer that comes in the 2007 Impreza??
An aftermarket XM or Sirius unit will only work via the aux input or an FM modulator.

The Subaru OEM Sirius accessory, H621SSA101, should be compatible with the 2007 Impreza HU. Check with your dealer or parts vendor to confirm before buying. I'm not seeing an XM kit for that model/year.

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Can I hook up a stock WRX sub to my 2001 outback head unit? I is the stock cassette player with the stock in dash 6cd below.
Yes, as long as the sub has a T-harness with 14-pin radio connectors.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:24 AM   #462
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Does anyone know where to get the pins or a model number for the pins for the 20 pin harness. I have the underseat subwoofer/bluetooth issue and I would like to make or buy a wire for the empty socket. Thanks.
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Does anyone know where to get the pins or a model number for the pins for the 20 pin harness. I have the underseat subwoofer/bluetooth issue and I would like to make or buy a wire for the empty socket. Thanks.
Contact SVXdc, I bought sd ome of the pins from him.
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Contact SVXdc, I bought sd ome of the pins from him.
Thanks. I sent him a PM.
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Never heard back from SVXdc. Anyone else know where to buy a "missing wire" or the pins to make one? Thanks.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:55 PM   #466
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Your PM didn't go through -- my inbox is full (read my profile for more info). To contact me, click on my username and use the link to send your message via e-mail. And/or see my homepage.
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Working on this as well. Radio, Kenwood DNX7160 works great, but the wheel controls dont work and i also lost the ability to use the accessories in the arm rest.

Any idea how the axxess controller connects to the stock harness? I think i was left with about 5 wires not connected as well as one brown/black wire coming from the 3.5mm female plug that wasnt connected.

Let me add that i think i missed a wire. Reading some of the other threads i found that i also need to ground a wire that is in the stock harness. I think they onyl two i grounded were the ones from the Axxess controller. Could the redundant single ground to the stock radio be used to ground the pin in the stock harness?

SVX, cant email cause i dont have "10 legitimate posts" but i am interested in your auxiliary harness connector...and im local. :-)
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Connect the ASWC as follows:

In all cases, connect the ASWC's power and ground leads (red and black) to the red and black wires on the 20-pin harness. You'll connect those wires to the red and black wires on your HU's harness, too.

Subarus with standard 6 audio buttons (without Bluetooth buttons) -- 2008-2011 Impreza and 2009-2011 Foresters:
  • Subaru 20-pin radio harness' SWC pin 14 to ground
  • ASWC pin 2 White/Green to ground
  • ASWC pin 5 Gray/Red to Subaru 20-pin radio harness' SWC pin 4

2011 Subaru Impreza and Forester with phone/BT buttons (5 audio + 3 BT buttons):
  • Subaru 20-pin radio harness' SWC pin 14 to ground
  • ASWC pin 4 Green/Orange to Subaru 20-pin radio harness' SWC pin 4
  • ASWC pin 8 Black/Green to Subaru 20-pin radio harness' SWC pin 13

See my 20-pin pin-out table for diagram of Subaru pin numbers.

Do not connect to any other wires on the ASWC harness (besides its 3.5mm plug) -- individually insulate the ends.

I have harnesses that include the 2 or 3 SWC wires. See my homepage.

Understand all of the connections you'll need to make before starting. You'll end up needing to tie together 4 or 5 ground wires (possibly more).
Keep in mind that even HUs with Bluetooth capability may not have remote control commands that correspond to all of the car's buttons. For example, some may only have a remote command that does "place call' but no remote command for "end call". You can manually assign any leftover buttons to other audio functions.
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Gracias SVX. I think I used the without bt pins. And I didn't ground the stock harness pin.
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SVXdc,

Can the RCA Composite inputs in the armrest (Nav cars) ever play through all the speakers? The Nav unit is 5.1 w/ a decoder. Or am I stuck with 2 speakers as it is a Red/White input?

I ask b/c DVD's are a dead medium and I'd like to use my iphone to play movies on the Navi screen.


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Can the RCA Composite inputs in the armrest (Nav cars) ever play through all the speakers? The Nav unit is 5.1 w/ a decoder. Or am I stuck with 2 speakers as it is a Red/White input?

I ask b/c DVD's are a dead medium and I'd like to use my iphone to play movies on the Navi screen.
I don't think there's any way for the Navi to play a 5.1 source other that off a DVD. The aux A/V input (on the 24-pin connector), and the iPod/sat radio input (on the 20-pin Subaru bus connector) are both stereo only.

You're lucky to even have the line-level center channel and subwoofer outputs accessible from the outside.

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You're lucky to even have the line-level center channel and subwoofer outputs accessible from the outside.
center channel? Did you figure out which it is?

Also, if you did, would I need an amp to power the center speaker like how the OEM sub is amp in one.

Last question, based on the 5.1 question, if I was to set it up the center speaker, the only thing that would utilize it would be DVD? not even Radio or the OEM Sirius Kit?
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center channel? Did you figure out which it is?
Yes. See the information about the Navi HU in post #11 of my 'Stock HU info' thread. (I've been updating all of the posts in that thread as I learn new information)

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Also, if you did, would I need an amp to power the center speaker like how the OEM sub is amp in one.
Both of the Navi's subwoofer and center channel outputs are line level, and would need an amp (or a powered speaker that can take a line level input).

Note that the OEM under-seat subwoofer wants a high level (speaker level) input, so it can't be used with the Navi's subwoofer output (without major modification to that sub).

Starting in 2011 in North America, some Foresters now have a newer OEM under-seat sub that takes line level input (same odd-shaped one that people in Europe and Australia got a couple of years earlier).

See more details about all of that in my 'Stock HU info' thread.

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if I was to set it up the center speaker, the only thing that would utilize it would be DVD? not even Radio or the OEM Sirius Kit?
The Navi does have the option to synthesize 5.1 from a stereo source and send that to all of the outputs. See the link to the Cerreta's thread on the Forester forum for some more discussion about that.

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You Sir, are awesome. Now one more question: would I need one of your RCA inputs to attach an amp for the center speaker or can it just soldered to the pin locations? PS I have Sirius plugged into the 20pin.
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Would I need one of your RCA inputs to attach an amp for the center speaker or can it just soldered to the pin locations? PS I have Sirius plugged into the 20pin.
You can do like Cerreta did and wire a cable with an RCA jack to the OEM Sirius harness (tap into the two center channel wires on the section of the harness that leads to the pass-through socket).

I can also make an adapter with an RCA jack and the 20-pin plug that you can plug into the Sirius harness pass-through socket. E-mail me to work out the details.
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