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Old 05-24-2006, 10:10 PM   #1
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This is the most embarrassing post I've ever had to write, because my car beat me tonight....beat me bad. In fact, I think it gave me a couple of black eyes and a broken rib or two that's how badly it kicked me ass.

I attempted to install my new TIC TiC Giuyngmyo Fender Cowl Braces or (cowl stays) tonight, but gave up for many many many reasons (which Jamie will know about when she reads the PM as I have to order stupid replacement parts argh!!!!!).

Anyway, I know that people have done the install without taking off the fender. I tried that and got nowhere. I was able to unbolt the door side of the brace (after cutting the crap out of my hand), but did not have the clearance to get to the bolts on the fender side of the brace. What are you guys using to get those two bolts (Uncle Scotty and Unabomber come to mind)? I used a rachet on the door side. I'm guessing a really long ass open ended wrench for the other two? And angled socket? Somebody tell me for the love of all that is holy.

I even attempted to do the install by taking the fender off, which caused the loss or destruction of most of the fender liner clips (or whatever they're called). I might end up just doing it by taking off the fender, but how the hell do you disconnect it from the bumper? I DEMOLISHED one of the screw clips that hold them together but still no avail.

Yes, I suck. I admit it.
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:25 PM   #2
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you need the racket type wrenches. They look like a regular combination wrench but the closed end rachets. Try Sears.
TiC has a detailed write up on their website on how to install.
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:30 PM   #3
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You might also need an offset wrench as mentioned in this thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5#post13223175
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:40 PM   #4
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....once ya get the aft two bolts out....and the top of the fender upbolted and pulled back a bit-----ya unbolt the lower foreward bolt....put a rag over the brace and PULL it DOWN......it may take a bit of 'working' it....once it is 'down' ya can get at the upper bolt more easily.

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Old 05-24-2006, 11:43 PM   #5
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Here is a write up --

http://www.i-c lub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133214
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:55 PM   #6
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Thanks guys. This is exactly what I needed to find out. Looks like I'll be hitting up Sears tomorrow after work to get some rachet wrenches and give it another go this weekend.

Scotty, when you put the brace back on should I tighen that top bolt down almost fully, push the bugger into position for the other holes and then tighen it down all the way?
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Old 05-25-2006, 12:11 AM   #7
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Racheting wrenches aren't mandatory, but i can see how they would be very very useful (i did mine without them and wish i hadn't).

However, an offset wrench is mandatory.

I recommend getting the top bolt (the one blocked by the fender) back in first. You don't have to even tighten it all the way yet, just halfway in. Then retighten the fender bolts so you don't forget (5 ft/lbs or something). Then get back to putting the rest of the bolts in finger tight before torquing them all into place (in the words of TiC, afew grunts should do it).
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Old 05-25-2006, 12:52 AM   #8
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^^^ yup, offset wrench is needed, rachet is not. I busted a craftsman and used a snap-on doing this procedure-was able to access everything from under the fender with this wrench.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:23 AM   #9
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:25 AM   #10
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I just installed my fenderbraces this past Sunday. I was lucky enough to have the GearRatchet and borrowed my buddy's Gearwrenches. I don't know how I would do without them. Even with the top fender bolts undone, there's not much room at all. You really need those tools to do it right.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:31 AM   #11
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.....and they are NOT 'fender braces'....they are COWL STAYS
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Old 05-25-2006, 07:11 AM   #12
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Quote:
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.....and they are NOT 'fender braces'....they are COWL STAYS
Very good then. I shall edit the post to keep your wrath down
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Also - the 'shorty' or 'stubby' wrenches work well in the tight confines between the fender & inner panel.

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Old 05-25-2006, 10:42 PM   #14
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I'll pick up both long and stubby deals to make this as easy as possible.
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Old 05-25-2006, 11:11 PM   #15
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spray the crap outta the bolts with wd-40, that worked wonders for me!
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Old 05-25-2006, 11:19 PM   #16
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spray the crap outta the bolts with wd-40, that worked wonders for me!


....deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwd......

WD-40 is fer the lawn mower and the bathroom door hinge.....it has NO place as a 'penetrant' or real lubricant.

PB Blaster is good...... and there are better ones
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Quote:
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....deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwd......

WD-40 is fer the lawn mower and the bathroom door hinge.....it has NO place as a 'penetrant' or real lubricant.

PB Blaster is good...... and there are better ones
But deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwd, I had WD-40 in the garage, and my garage was a whole lot closer than any place that would sell PB Blaster, and it worked!!!! so its all good....but I do agree, if you have the PB Blaster available, it would be better.
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Meh, i used a cheater bar.
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Old 05-26-2006, 02:38 AM   #19
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Hey I just saw this in the latest issue of Grassroots:

www.crcindustries.com

Freeze-Off... breaks stuck bolts by freezing em.... thermophysics FTW.

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