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Old 06-16-2014, 07:52 PM   #1
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Default Random car trouble. Need igntion pack?

What up everybody, my gc shut off randomly on me today while in traffic and wouldnt turn over, i ahs to get it towed. i beleive it has to do with my igntion coilpack, my fuel pump and electrical is all good and their is oil in the engine, and also i have fairly new plugs so i was wondering if anyone on here knows who may have a f-569 12 volt coilpack for sale. Thought i would check on here for possible local hook ups before i order from japan. If you dont think its the coilpack what are some other possibilities?
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:17 PM   #2
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have you checked for spark?

and are you sure you have fuel?

and when you say wouldn't turn over, do you mean wouldn't start or wouldn't crank? no amount of new coil pack will help you if the engine won't turn over....
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:28 PM   #3
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Sounds like the MAF issue with dry solder etc but could possibly be the crank or camshaft position sensors.
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:14 AM   #4
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:56 AM   #5
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have you checked for spark? and are you sure you have fuel? and when you say wouldn't turn over, do you mean wouldn't start or wouldn't crank? no amount of new coil pack will help you if the engine won't turn over....
yea turnover meaning wont start bit it cranks once and makes a revolution sound then nothing.. Then after that one try i turn the key and it clunks and nothing.
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:58 AM   #6
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sic dude your asking $30 for it? If you have it ill take it off your hands
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Old 06-17-2014, 02:25 AM   #7
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yea turnover meaning wont start bit it cranks once and makes a revolution sound then nothing.. Then after that one try i turn the key and it clunks and nothing.
So you can't even crank the motor for 2-3 seconds with the starter? That's not a coilpack issue, it's either your starter or an issue with voltage going to it.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:50 AM   #8
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Try also checking ur battery and battery terminals.
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:52 PM   #9
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So you can't even crank the motor for 2-3 seconds with the starter? That's not a coilpack issue, it's either your starter or an issue with voltage going to it.
i dont think it would be a starter issue due to the car being already running when it turned off randomly

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Try also checking ur battery and battery terminals.
Yea i tried that but my electrical is all good, all power features run good and also brand new battery
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:01 PM   #10
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Sounds like your alternator isn't charging which caused your brand new battery to drain down enough that it couldn't keep the car running and now it won't crank because it's too low. Try jump starting the car then test the alternator
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:25 PM   #11
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Sounds like your alternator isn't charging which caused your brand new battery to drain down enough that it couldn't keep the car running and now it won't crank because it's too low. Try jump starting the car then test the alternator
oh **** dude i forgot that piece of information, i tried jump starting it when i brought it home and nothing happened, i was pretty bumbed it didnt work. I was hoping it was only a battery issue.
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:57 PM   #12
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oh **** dude i forgot that piece of information, i tried jump starting it when i brought it home and nothing happened, i was pretty bumbed it didnt work. I was hoping it was only a battery issue.
nothing happened as in it would crank but not start or it would do absolutely nothing? But all your power options work...?
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Old 06-17-2014, 02:26 PM   #13
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nothing happened as in it would crank but not start or it would do absolutely nothing? But all your power options work...?
yea bro it's wierd the first try the fuel pump primes, i crank it, makes a revolution sound like its struggling to start the engine but nothing happens and then it stops trying. Then when i try after a few more times it makes a clunk and thats it, doesnt make any attempt to try and crank. Some people say crank sensor, cam sensor, ignition coils. It was just really random how it died on me at idle after driving it. No CEL just ... And left me saying wtf lolol
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Old 06-17-2014, 04:30 PM   #14
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Try cleaning your battery terminals really good.. both on the battery and on the wired end.

I say this because I had the exact same thing happen on my camaro. Drove it to my friend's house and it died on me right when I parked.

Everything worked. Just no crank at all. Would not even jump start.

Obviously ruled out the starter. Had fuel pressure at the rails. Didnt bother to check for spark (motor wouldnt even turn).

Looked at my terminals in the battery and that was fine, but the female end on the wired side has some mild corrosion. Cleaned it up, and all was good.

Obviously that slight bit of corrosion is enough to create a high resistance.

Cam and crank sensors wont just kill the cranking process after one revolution. Either it will or won't start... or it will be a delayed start. As for coil packs.. i would also imagibe that it would continue to crank more than 1 revolution as the starter continues to spin
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:35 PM   #15
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Try cleaning your battery terminals really good.. both on the battery and on the wired end. I say this because I had the exact same thing happen on my camaro. Drove it to my friend's house and it died on me right when I parked. Everything worked. Just no crank at all. Would not even jump start. Obviously ruled out the starter. Had fuel pressure at the rails. Didnt bother to check for spark (motor wouldnt even turn). Looked at my terminals in the battery and that was fine, but the female end on the wired side has some mild corrosion. Cleaned it up, and all was good. Obviously that slight bit of corrosion is enough to create a high resistance. Cam and crank sensors wont just kill the cranking process after one revolution. Either it will or won't start... or it will be a delayed start. As for coil packs.. i would also imagibe that it would continue to crank more than 1 revolution as the starter continues to spin
thanks bro ill give it a look see and clean things up, i just want my baby fixed, this is the first hiccup after owning it for a year with proper maintenance and just does this to me. But yea ill check the terminals, thanks homie
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:29 PM   #16
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Replaced the ignition coil pack just now. No go, still being a little bastard . Battery terminals are clean.
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:28 PM   #17
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check for air leaks after the MAF. if pirate air is getting though pass the mac, that'll cause the engine to shut down.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:28 PM   #18
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Pull the plugs and see if any fuel comes out... a hydrolocked/hydrolocking engine does something similar while cranking. It will crank and "clunk" like it hit a wall and won't crank anymore (another personal experience with my camaro).

In my case, the fuel pressure regulator diaphragm tore and was dumping fuel into one cylinder all the time.

Liquid doesn't compress, so when you crank the engine, that liquid gas becomes that "wall".

My motor also stalled from obviously being flooded in that one cylinder.

I hope this is not the case foe you. I am just trying to draw from my own experience without being there in person.

If you can, check fuel pressure and remove your spark plugs to check.

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Old 06-17-2014, 11:10 PM   #19
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I would rule your alternator first if your car try's to turn over and won't.. Assuming you actually have gas in your tank. If you have a multimeter or voltmeter you should test your batteries voltage. Remember it should be higher than 12 volts. A healthy battery should be at least 12.6 volts with the engine off. 14.4V with the engine running. Buy a multimeter from crappy tire and return it after if you're broke.

If your alternator really **** the bed it would explain dying in the middle of traffic. Also check for loose connections to your alternator.

I know you said you tried to jump it with no luck but that is where I would start. But to me it sounds like something electrical.

Is it a 5 speed? Have you tried to pop start it down a hill?
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I had coil pack issues a couple of months ago and it felt like I was running on 2 cylinders, but the car was still running. I checked for spark & that was the problem. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:48 AM   #21
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Pull the plugs and see if any fuel comes out... a hydrolocked/hydrolocking engine does something similar while cranking. It will crank and "clunk" like it hit a wall and won't crank anymore (another personal experience with my camaro). In my case, the fuel pressure regulator diaphragm tore and was dumping fuel into one cylinder all the time. Liquid doesn't compress, so when you crank the engine, that liquid gas becomes that "wall". My motor also stalled from obviously being flooded in that one cylinder. I hope this is not the case foe you. I am just trying to draw from my own experience without being there in person. If you can, check fuel pressure and remove your spark plugs to check.
yea hopefully hydrolock is not the issue. I dont know too much about what it is but it sounds bad and expensive to fix.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:51 AM   #22
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I would rule your alternator first if your car try's to turn over and won't.. Assuming you actually have gas in your tank. If you have a multimeter or voltmeter you should test your batteries voltage. Remember it should be higher than 12 volts. A healthy battery should be at least 12.6 volts with the engine off. 14.4V with the engine running. Buy a multimeter from crappy tire and return it after if you're broke. If your alternator really **** the bed it would explain dying in the middle of traffic. Also check for loose connections to your alternator. I know you said you tried to jump it with no luck but that is where I would start. But to me it sounds like something electrical. Is it a 5 speed? Have you tried to pop start it down a hill?
yea its 5 speed and i thought about clutch popping rolling start but i dont wanna damage anything. Im taking it into a shop tomorrow to have it looked at since im so lost and somewhat frustrated with it
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:33 AM   #23
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It's a starter issue if the motor isn't even turning over, 12v applied to the starter with the clutch in will always crank it if the starter isn't hooped.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:00 AM   #24
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Just a shot in the dark but has the timing belt ever been changed?
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Just a shot in the dark but has the timing belt ever been changed?

There's a good one.
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