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Old 10-11-2001, 04:04 PM   #1
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Who makes a strut that fits the Legacy Outbacks? I have a '97 with 141,000 miles and it is in need of some struts!! Noone seems to make these. Any clues?
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Old 10-11-2001, 07:24 PM   #2
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This has been discussed, at length. There are, unfortunately, no aftermarket struts for Outbacks, except for the $1800 DMS Golds.

If you want to change your tires, and wheels, and lose your OB ride height, you can use normal Legacy aftermarket struts.
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Old 10-11-2001, 08:10 PM   #3
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So what would you use if you lifted it?

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Old 10-11-2001, 09:13 PM   #4
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I am now completely amazed....a car that is 5 years old and there are no aftermarket struts available for it. Is there any way to change to a regular legacy strut or is the perch lower and causes the ride height to decrease? I wonder if you could use Legacy struts with an aftermarket coilover set to get the ground clearance back. What is the difference between the regular legacy strut and the OB strut?

My other problem is the $11 spark plugs this thing needs....anyone find them cheaper?
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Old 10-12-2001, 12:46 AM   #5
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I still don't understand what is hard to grasp -- one wishes for an SUV, so then go and buy one and accept the multitude of aftermarket tuners. Someone who wishes for a (sport? Buy a WRX already) wagon, would have purchased *anything* but the Outback. ---->>>>> AN OUTBACK IS NOT A TUNER CAR!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line - either way you are screwed, and either way, I truly hope that people begin to realize that the Outback is just a Legacy with a 3k+++ of plastic body cladding and a replica suspension with plastic spacers --> if you need 8 inches or whatever of clearance to get around, then you need a jacked-up F-350 with a turbo-diesel. Throw some skidplates and really nice snow tires on a Subie, and it really doesn't matter what you drive, but an Outback will still suck in the summer.


Bottom line -- an Outback will do NO BETTER (even worse, if you drive an auto, unless you are a competent driver, er...) than a regular Legacy, and cost a LOT LESS.
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Old 10-12-2001, 02:12 AM   #6
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try to find a 5 speed GT wagon with a 2.5
now try to find a 5 speed OB with a 2.5
you'll find out that the outbacks are a lot more common, a lot cheaper, and on the BG5's, it's moved spring perches and the spacers just correct the camber.
oh, and bigger fogs
I serioulsy looked for 9 months for a GT wagon, with no luck; I found one white auto........I got my black OB limited (leather, etc) for about 5k less than the GT was going for......


i got a great deal on my car, and it's a lifted GT, for all intents and purposes. Back off a little, there's a lot of OB owners around here, and we try to be helpful. Opinions are likea........well, ya know what I mean?

we all drive scoobies, right?
and do you remember what vehicle brought subaru back to financial security?
and let them give us the RS
then the WRX?
thought so


To the original poster; you're SOL unless you want to lower your car to stock legacy heights, which will necessitate new, shorter tires to clear the lower spring perches. That is a step that a lot of us OB owners are looking at taking
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Old 10-12-2001, 12:58 PM   #7
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<i>Velocity</i>: That was entirely unnecessary, and answering a question not asked. He asked for a replacement strut. He even questioned the use of a std. Legacy strut: <b> ". . . or is the perch lower and causes the ride height to decrease?"</b> Don't be so quick to flame.

<i>Scoober</i>: I don't have any info with which to answer your question; but it does seem odd that there are no aftermarket struts to be found for an Outback.

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Old 10-12-2001, 01:29 PM   #8
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Radio Flyer: Thanks for the redirect...us southern boys gotta stick together..lol ( I was born at Kennestone and raised just down the road). I do want to swap the struts....but only because they are so old and are worn out. I am looking for aftermarket because the OEM ones are probably WAY overpriced (haven't checked yet). I bought the Outback because it sits higher.....and because it has some off highway capabilities...therefore, lowering it on stock Legacy struts does not make alot of sense. Anyway, thanks and if anyone knows a better way, let me know please!
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Old 10-12-2001, 03:11 PM   #9
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Velocity - Please kindly shut up, thanks. Your opinions on this matter are insulting and stupid. Nobody asked for your opinions.

I believe the deal with aftermarket suspension is that anything that lowers the car will rub with the stock sized tires. So, you need to downsize the tires and throw off the speedo or go up a rim size with smaller tire.
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Old 10-12-2001, 03:25 PM   #10
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AN OUTBACK IS NOT A TUNER CAR!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line -- an Outback will do NO BETTER (even worse, if you drive an auto, unless you are a competent driver, er...) than a regular Legacy, and cost a LOT LESS.
As stated everytime you raise this stupid f**king argument, there are different kinds of tuning. Off-road performance has different goals that street performance. People buy cars for different reasons. Stop trying to impose your perception of value in places that it doesn't belong. If we were all street tuners, we'd all be driving RS's. Now shut the f**k up, already.

To answer the question - yes the difference is in the spring perch location. A standard Legacy strut will cause the perch to rub on the standard wheel/tire combination. You can switch to a regular Legacy strut, and wheel/tires, but that essentially defeats the purpose of buying the OB.
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Old 10-12-2001, 06:27 PM   #11
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Here you go!

There is at least one company that makes lift springs for Legacys, Scorpion out of OZ. If you ran aftermarket Legacy struts (say KYB GR2s) with these 2" lift springs, you would retain your ground clearance or even gain a little more. You would still have to run smaller tires to clear the lower spring seat in back since that isn't moving relative to the wheel/tire. So I think it would work, and it might even handle better but it might look funny.

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I am now completely amazed....a car that is 5 years old and there are no aftermarket struts available for it. Is there any way to change to a regular legacy strut or is the perch lower and causes the ride height to decrease? I wonder if you could use Legacy struts with an aftermarket coilover set to get the ground clearance back. What is the difference between the regular legacy strut and the OB strut?

My other problem is the $11 spark plugs this thing needs....anyone find them cheaper?
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Old 10-12-2001, 08:18 PM   #12
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Default I got my Legacy Ob for $10k last year

Sure I'd rather get a GT, but for $10k a year ago, you can't beat that (97 outback). I can always lower my car with new struts, and it'll look better than a L or GT.

Wait till I get my fogs too.

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Old 10-12-2001, 10:20 PM   #13
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If you replace your struts with any that fit a stock Legacy, and then replace your wheels/tires with ones from a GT (probably RS as well), you'll lose just over 1/2 an inch of clearance. The GT sits about 1/2 an inch higher than the stock 97 Legacy, and the OB sits about .8" higher than that.


Velocity - chill. We've got both a GT an an Outback, and there are quite a LOT of things (little ones, but still a goodly number) that make an Outback different from other models. Biggest difference - that added roof height means I can wear a helmet without opening the sunroof, and I've gotten taller items in the back than I would have with a GT wagon. The OB is the value leader of the lineup, or was until the redesign when all Legacys got the 2.5l engine.
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Old 10-13-2001, 06:23 AM   #14
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Thanks for all the responses to the actual question. As you can see in my sidebar, I also own a '99RS. That car has Tein coilovers with 600lb springs...it is an autocross, track day, TSD rally and daily driven car. The Outback was mine originally and my wife drives it now (after the '98 Forester got all 48,000 of it's lease miles in 1 1/2 years)....so I have my "handling car", which I will be glad to put up to the fantastic wonder wagon that Velocity holds so highly above all other Subarus in any sort of handling excercise....pavement or otherwise. The Outback has a purpose and serves it well....and is very trouble free...much unlike the prehistoric POS that it was suggested that I use..."A jacked up F350 with a Turbo Diesel"...well, let's examine that statement for a moment...first, ALL F350's are "JACKED UP"...unless you know of some pioneer who has taken one and slammed it to the ground...maybe even with hydraulics for good measure! It's a work truck...it has one purpose...to haul and tow REALLY heavy things. Second, I somehow doubt that an Outback buyer was comparing the two vehicles.....hmmmm, Humvee or M-class, let me ponder. And of course the most prominent fact for me is that it's a Ford....which will never live in my garage!!!

Now...here is my proposal....Take a Legacy GT strut and trim off the spring perch to about a 1/4". Buy a set of Ground Control Coilovers with the longer springs and adjust them to the stock ride height. This give you the new struts, and you still keep the factory height and get to use the original size tires and rims.If the only thing that creates the problem is the perch being lower, then remove the perch. The G/C's only use an area of the perch that is about 1/8" as they are a threaded sleeve that goes over the strut and uses an Eibach spring (very narrow...like a regular coilover). I had these on my RS with the KYB AGX and they worked really well. So...final question...is the perch the only problem??
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Old 10-13-2001, 09:23 AM   #15
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SCOOBER,

Your idea should work. I considered that, but since I don't really care about the ground clearance (no snow, haven't been on anything worse than a smooth dirt road anyway) I decided to get RS wheels and tires and Legacy struts. I think the GC springs would work, just be sure to get long enough springs from them (10"?).

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Old 10-13-2001, 09:51 PM   #16
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"Now...here is my proposal....Take a Legacy GT strut and trim off the spring perch to about a 1/4". Buy a set of Ground Control Coilovers with the longer springs and adjust them to the stock ride height. "

Not sure how well the coilovers work, but there's more to the strut swap than just the perches rubbing. The mounting bracket for the OB struts is about an inch higher on the strut body itself. This is why the perches rub... You could possibly, if you're handy with a welder, weld a new set of brackets to a stock set of GT struts (if you could find a bracket).
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Old 10-14-2001, 11:31 PM   #17
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With all that work and expense, you're probably better off just springing for the DMS golds. Sounds like you're running in that price range, anyway.
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Old 10-15-2001, 12:16 AM   #18
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So actually the bottom 2-hole bracket is the part that is different? I thought that the actual perch was just closer to the top of the strut.
As far as cost goes, I would be looking at $300 for the springs and collars from Ground Control, and $400 from PST for the KYB's (I assume the AGX's are available for the regular Legacy). That is much lower than the DMS price. I can do the install myself...we did two Impreza's Saturday afternoon (OBS and Impreza L) so I save on the labor. I just want to know for sure what is different.
When you put the Legacy strut on an OB, do you have to modify anything other than the wheel and tire combo???

Anyone have a side shot of their OB with this done?
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Old 10-15-2001, 12:37 AM   #19
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Doug,

This is the only Outback that I know of for sure that has been de-Outbacked. I am with you; I only thought the spring perch was higher. That seems to be what this guy demonstrated as well. See for yourself: http://www.geocities.com/limeylight/handling.htm .

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