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Old 05-26-2006, 06:39 PM   #1
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/05/26/...cnn_topstories
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The tiny state of Rhode Island still ranks rock bottom in terms of driving knowledge, according to a national test conducted by GMAC Insurance.
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Based on average scores, northwestern states generally ranked highest while the bottom-ranking states were mostly in the northeast. One exception was Vermont, which ranked third.

Here's where the NE states ended up:
3rd - VT
26th - NH
32nd - ME
44th - CT
47th - NY
48th - NJ & MA (tie)
Bottom of the list - RI

Pretty wild we did so poorly except for VT. I attribute that to there being nothing else to do in the state but drive around.
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:41 PM   #2
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No, this is why...

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Old 05-26-2006, 06:46 PM   #3
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Lol..
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:52 PM   #4
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you would think that maine would be the lowest on that list.
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Old 05-26-2006, 07:09 PM   #5
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hahaha, bitch. Not true though. I'm not on paper, so in actuality i'm the least reason why.
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Old 05-26-2006, 08:46 PM   #6
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Actually, in terms of driving abilities and general knowledge, Massachusetts drivers ranked rather highly according to a study I recall reading a few years ago. Its just that given our population desity and overall general disregard for many of the existing laws that puts us at risk. Here in Massachusetts if a pedestrian walks accross the street you are suppost to either stop to let them through (if they are in a cross walk) or weave around them if they are jay-walking.

Unfortunately our cross-walk lines are frequently so badly faded that we arent always sure if they are fair game or not. In the west coast, for instance, the laws against jay-walking are so strictly enforced that most motorists will immediately stop if some pedestrian fool is crossing their path (because they automatically ASSUME that the pedestrian has the right of way), where as here in Boston the pedestrians just sort of have the right of way, unless you can avoid hitting them, in which case you sort of drive around them. Because we are expected to use our 'best judgement' so much every so often someone eventually does something stupid and we either accidently hit someone or have a minor fender-bender stopping so short that the car behind us cant stop.

Clearly it isnt lack of driving ability or knowledge of the rules of the road, it is the crazy and contradictory laws (both written and unwritten) that we deal with on a daily basis that make driving in these areas so risky. For the most part we are in fact excellent drivers.
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:07 PM   #7
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Actually, in terms of driving abilities and general knowledge, Massachusetts drivers ranked rather highly according to a study I recall reading a few years ago. Its just that given our population desity and overall general disregard for many of the existing laws that puts us at risk. Here in Massachusetts if a pedestrian walks accross the street you are suppost to either stop to let them through (if they are in a cross walk) or weave around them if they are jay-walking.

Unfortunately our cross-walk lines are frequently so badly faded that we arent always sure if they are fair game or not. In the west coast, for instance, the laws against jay-walking are so strictly enforced that most motorists will immediately stop if some pedestrian fool is crossing their path (because they automatically ASSUME that the pedestrian has the right of way), where as here in Boston the pedestrians just sort of have the right of way, unless you can avoid hitting them, in which case you sort of drive around them. Because we are expected to use our 'best judgement' so much every so often someone eventually does something stupid and we either accidently hit someone or have a minor fender-bender stopping so short that the car behind us cant stop.

Clearly it isnt lack of driving ability or knowledge of the rules of the road, it is the crazy and contradictory laws (both written and unwritten) that we deal with on a daily basis that make driving in these areas so risky. For the most part we are in fact excellent drivers.
What kind of drugs do you take?
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:15 PM   #8
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What kind of drugs do you take?
Asprin, mostly. How long have you been driving in Boston ?
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:24 PM   #9
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good call, blame it on those of us that don't drive... pedestrians?
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:25 PM   #10
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I agree with Jonathan. Mass drivers aren't all that bad, at all. Jersey and Connecticut (the constipation state) drivers are much worse, and NYC drivers are far more idiotic and rude than Boston drivers.

"Aspirin, mostly." <-- priceless

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Old 05-26-2006, 09:51 PM   #11
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Maine wins the "I would NEVER even consider moving aside even though there are 13 cars stuck behind me just let me do 64 in the left lane and leave me alone" award.

I think they teach that up there. Passed down from generation to generation.
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Old 05-26-2006, 11:28 PM   #12
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Everyone I know from out of state thinks MA drivers are the worst. I think it's funny that even though the original post contains a study concluding that MA drivers are ignorant, some are in denial. I'm averaging almost 40k a year of driving in NE and NY over the past three years, and I run into the most problems in MA. From state to state, VT drivers are slow, but smart. They know how to use cruise control, stay right on the highways, and definitely yield to pedestrians (best just to park when in downtown Burlington). NH drivers are slow, and somewhat smart, and anytime I run into some poor driving, I usually look down to see a Mass plate on the car. NY drivers (in terms of non-NYC) drive fast and usually intelligently in my experience. I will admit that there isn't the night and day difference from going from poor driving on the Mass Pike good driving on to the Northway in NY anymore. It seems as though the bad driving in MA is some sort of virus that is spreading. I have very few problems driving in RI, and I don't do much driving in CT. MA drivers are slow and stupid (all drivers of subarus are exempt, of course!), almost the worst combination. In my opinion, if you want to see some good driving, although a bit too aggressive for most people, head up to Montreal. Those people know how to get where they need to be, in a hurry!

My favorite story of a native MA driver is when I was signaling to turn off an exit, and this female friend said to me, "What is the blinker for, are you waving goodbye to the other cars?"

The sad thing was, she was in her mid twenties, and didn't know when to use her signals.
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Old 05-26-2006, 11:38 PM   #13
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Vermont: Where the speed limits are slow and the people are slower.

The only way I can think of to immitate a VT driver is to pretend there are no lines, no signs, and no other drivers. The only reason they're "good" is because they drive at a safe 15 below the speed limit and yield to anything and everything, no matter who has to slam on their brakes behind them. In terms of awareness, I'm more proud of the old women of South Florida I've seen driving than any age group in VT. VTers are just lucky that their being oblivious to the world landed them a good score.


Also, the roads and routes are limited around where I live in VT. Everyone gets into a routine and goes on their own "cruise control". The only problem with that that I've seen is that when something changes, whether it be lanes moved or new stop signs, people still do what they're used to doing and remain completely unaware that they did something wrong.


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Old 05-27-2006, 08:39 AM   #14
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Actually, in terms of driving abilities and general knowledge, Massachusetts drivers ranked rather highly according to a study I recall reading a few years ago.
Follow the link I posted as well as the supporting links. NE states have consistently been at the bottom of the list for the last two years. This is not based on insurance claims or anything thing like that, but a 20 question general knowledge test given to insured drivers. Things like "What does a yellow signal light mean?" in multiple choice answer format. So the test goes directly towards general knowledge of the rules of the road.
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:42 AM   #15
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Vermont: Where the speed limits are slow and the people are slower.
Humm. Doesn't VT still have that "If the speed limit is not posted, assume its 50 MPH" law? Comes in handy on all those skinny dirt back roads.
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Old 05-27-2006, 07:48 PM   #16
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Actually, in terms of driving abilities and general knowledge, Massachusetts drivers ranked rather highly according to a study I recall reading a few years ago.
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Follow the link I posted as well as the supporting links. NE states have consistently been at the bottom of the list for the last two years. This is not based on insurance claims or anything thing like that, but a 20 question general knowledge test given to insured drivers. Things like "What does a yellow signal light mean?" in multiple choice answer format. So the test goes directly towards general knowledge of the rules of the road.
I wasnt able to actually take the test as the "GMAC test link" is currently pretty much overwhelmed. Normally one should answer that a YELLOW light means CAUTION (if blinking) or that the signal is just about to turn RED, so one should slow to a stop if far enough away, although in Massachusetts, it really means hurry up and run the light before it turns RED. I have nearly been run over when attempting to stop for YELLOW lights so many times in Massachusetts, that I generally dont slow down for them much any more. Its not that we are especially bad drivers, its that our interpertations of the laws (as they are praticed) is so different from how the laws are actually written thats there is a fair amount of confusion.

I havent driven enough in Vermont, or Rhoad Island enough to comment on these states.
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Old 05-27-2006, 09:49 PM   #17
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....in Massachusetts, it really means hurry up and run the (yellow) light before it turns RED.....

It's not just here. What was that movie that I think took place in AZ or CO where the alien guy was driving for the first time and blows the yellow....his quote when asked by the girl why: "I do what you do. Red, stop, green, go, yellow.....go very fast".



Growing up in W. Mass, where 3 lanes were very uncommon, I have the nasty habbit of staying to the right and always using my directionals. Sorry.

I've noticed three areas where driving can be pretty easily described:

metro Boston: Drive with no clue and get really pissed when someone cuts you off.

Montreal: Drive just like a Bostonian, but don't get pissed at all when someone cuts you off.

95 through Providence....the S turns especially: Drive like you're on some other road and don't worry about any of the other traffic. (why I take 295 to TFG)

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Old 05-27-2006, 10:08 PM   #18
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you would think that maine would be the lowest on that list.
hey, only I can comment on maine.
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Old 05-27-2006, 10:26 PM   #19
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You cannot compare between the NE states. Mass has much higher population than say, Maine or VT in terms of area and overall. Plus, I think the reason why yellow light is to mean to "go faster" is due to the fact that people in Mass have a very busy lifestyle where almost everyone have 2 jobs just to have enough money to do mods and this is where we all people here in Mass get that habit.
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