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Old 10-11-2001, 08:20 PM   #1
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Question Supercharger and turbo on same engine?

Is it possible to put a SC and turbo on 1 engine. I remember an old rally car (HF delta integrat, cant remember the manufactur, im so ashamed) that did this but it was a twin-engine setup which leads me to believe the SC was on one engine and the turbo was on the other but im not sure. Thoughts?
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Old 10-11-2001, 08:48 PM   #2
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As I recall, some WWII aircraft were both turbo- and super-charged. They also used water injection back then (on Mustangs, for instance). People get pretty creative when the world is at stake, I guess.
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Old 10-11-2001, 09:05 PM   #3
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People did it with the MR2's, called it twin-charging.

The SC MR2 was about 140 hp, they added a turbo and it cranked up to about 200.
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Old 10-11-2001, 10:24 PM   #4
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Yup, it's possible..as have been mentioned already, the first gen MR2s could be supercharged and turbocharged so it's entirely possible.
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Old 10-11-2001, 11:37 PM   #5
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I saw a Skyline on the web that was S/C and T/C both. Damn thing must have been a beast!
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Old 10-12-2001, 12:24 AM   #6
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If you have a 2.2L you can get the www.capa.com.au kit and then add a turbo kit of choice (please get built internals......).
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Old 10-12-2001, 12:52 AM   #7
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Hey MPREZYA. Is that $5,675.85 US dollars or Australian dollars. It looks like a pretty cool kit.
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Old 10-12-2001, 01:40 AM   #8
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IIRC, most diesal semi-trucks have both superchargers and turbochargers.

Don't see why the technology couldn't be adapted to a Subaru.

YMMV

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Old 10-12-2001, 10:08 AM   #9
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If you have a 2.2L you can get the www.capa.com.au kit and then add a turbo kit of choice (please get built internals......).
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no that wont work. the supercharger has to be first in the intake path. So that it's bypass valve can turn it off when the TC sucks more air than the SC can keep up with. Otherwise the SC would become a restriction! imagine that
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Old 10-12-2001, 11:40 AM   #10
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I wonder if the capa system will work on my EJ25?

It seems pretty cheap at around $5700 Australian Money. Thats including the 10% GST charge that we wouldn't have to pay. I figure it would probably even out though because of shipping.

Anyway a 6psi supercharger with custom intake manifold, that seems pretty good for around $2800 USD. I wonder if they sell an 8-9 psi pulley.

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Old 10-12-2001, 11:55 AM   #11
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Gulilo you obviously haven't seen the supercharged/turbocharged Integra Type-R for meguiars have you .
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Old 10-12-2001, 12:29 PM   #12
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Isn't the suzuki escurdo a twin engine, with each engine being twin turbocharged and supercharged? Something like 1000hp...or maybe i was dreaming?
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Old 10-12-2001, 12:50 PM   #13
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Dreaming.

Twinturbo V6.

Here's a funny. In the Dominican Republic, a Sidekick is called an Escudo:

http://www.delphis.dm/budget/
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Old 10-12-2001, 04:06 PM   #14
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the escudo is twin engined but I don't think it had any superchargers.
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Old 10-12-2001, 10:45 PM   #15
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Question TC and SC'd rally car....

Wasn't the Lancia Stratos a turbo charged AND super charged rally car in the FIA waaay back a long time ago?

With enough money and time, (almost) anything is possible.

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Old 10-14-2001, 11:32 PM   #16
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But www.capa.com.au does not supply the 2.2 liberty kit any more it's still on their site, but I e-mailed them a while back and thats what I was told.

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Old 10-15-2001, 01:50 AM   #17
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IIRC, most diesal semi-trucks have both superchargers and turbochargers.

Don't see why the technology couldn't be adapted to a Subaru.

YMMV

-Danny
No there only turbo'ed running 40-50psi. What the use of them both you can only cram so many psi's in untell you blow if your looking for a broad power band go twin turbo. not that I would do that.
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Old 10-15-2001, 02:09 AM   #18
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The rally car you're thinking of is the Lancia 037 and the beastie was 2WD.

Rick Dobbertin from Virginia, had a '63 Chevy II, big-block with fuel injection, twin-turbos, supercharged and nitrous! It was Car Craft's Car of the Year.
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Old 10-15-2001, 03:31 AM   #19
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Is it possible to put a SC and turbo on 1 engine. I remember an old rally car (HF delta integrat, cant remember the manufactur, im so ashamed) that did this but it was a twin-engine setup which leads me to believe the SC was on one engine and the turbo was on the other but im not sure. Thoughts?
It was a Lancia Delta Integrale HF. One of the sweetest and most successful Rally cars of the late 80's possibly even ever.


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Old 10-15-2001, 10:11 AM   #20
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Gulilo you obviously haven't seen the supercharged/turbocharged Integra Type-R for meguiars have you .
no i havent, i'd like to though. how can you put a TC in front of a SC? is there a bypass for the TC to go around the SC into the motor?
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Old 10-15-2001, 12:49 PM   #21
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Here's a funny. In the Dominican Republic, a Sidekick is called an Escudo.
From what I've heard the Escudo is the name for the Suzuki Grand Vitara in other countries. The Escudo Pike's Peak version is a Grand Vitara on drugs...

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Old 10-16-2001, 09:33 PM   #22
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Actually, the Lancia Stratos had a normally aspirated Ferrari Dino V-6 for the rally car although there were some turbo ones floating around. The Lancia 037 was supercharged only for a while, but I think the later versions were turbo and supercharged. The Lancia Delta S4 was the real deal that was built from the start with the turbo and supercharged engine. That one also had a monoblock engine where the head and block are cast in one piece - no head gasket. The Delta Integrale pictured above was turbo only, the S4 was a two door group B car.

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Old 10-17-2001, 02:27 AM   #23
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The Escudo Pike's Peak version is a Grand Vitara on drugs

Vitara is called Escudo in Japan

I've seen SC and Turbo together on AE86. It was in a option mag.
Both SC and turbo had their own intercooler.
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Old 10-17-2001, 03:00 AM   #24
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Gulilo check the new super street. I have also seen a civic in options with both.
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Old 10-17-2001, 03:34 AM   #25
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The latest issue of Super Street has a dual charged Type R. Check it out.
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