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Old 01-17-2005, 04:37 PM   #51
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Here is the deal...

1) Temp of the transmission gear oil matters.. if it is not up to (or close to) operating temp, everything is going ton be hard to get into. You may find that it takes a few seconds while stopped before you can get into first. This is caused by cold oil and every manual transmission behaves like this (assuming it is lubricated).

2) Try double clutching to get it into gear. That is the solution to autocross. If you do this and you are not exceeding the rev limit of the engine, everything will be just fine. Personally, I wouldn't shift into first above 20mph.

3) If you find these answers unacceptable, change your gear ratios.... or buy an automatic transmission.

I agree w/ Knotsure....



First off, you people must live in the middle of a field or maybe in Hazzard County with Bo and Luke Duke. . . .No traffic lights, yield signs, traffic.

I think it's pretty funny that alot of you can be so blind to a major Flaw in design. I refuse to put up with this problem.

I bought this car used 3 weeks ago. . . . the day I bought it I asked the service manager about not being able to put it into first gear unless Im doing 2-3 mph or stopped, he said that is the way Subaru made these. BULL CRAP!

At the time I trusted him that this is just the way they are. I went to another dealership close to where I work to pick up some filters and belts and such, I asked him, "whats up with first gear in these cars?" he said, "What do you mean?" So I explained to him what it was doing and he said no thats not right. . . had him drive it and a mechanic drive it, . .. .out come. . . . it's at the dealership being torn down and either replacing the synchro or 1st gear.

He proceeded to explain to me that Subaru sent them a bullitin stating that if first gear is chipped, do not warranty, from abuse.

So for all of you who think you have a problem (my experinces) you do. I would advise not putting it into gear at any speed you here the grinding, for most of us, we would like to be able to put it in at 5-10 mph (20-30 is nuts).

The chipped gear is a cheap way for Subaru not covering it under warranty. . . because of their bad synchro and people trying to cope with this problem they can easily chip a gear. (grinding leads to bad things). I will scan in my repair sheet when I get the car back.

$26,000 (new) and you have to put up with this cheap --- crap!
I owned a $7,000 Toyota Tercel that had a smoother shifting tranny.

The big question here is why don't we here people that have STI's bitching about this?

Oh, you tell me to change the gear ratios or buy an automatic. . . . ah . . .no.

Accept the fact that you aslo have a crappy tranny from Subaru.
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Old 01-18-2005, 09:10 AM   #52
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First off, you people must live in the middle of a field or maybe in Hazzard County with Bo and Luke Duke. . . .No traffic lights, yield signs, traffic.
Yup, you got me...

Anyhow, please note that I was referring to people who have transmissions that are perfectly fine and are complaining about not being able to get them into first gear above 10mph. Obviously if your synchro is damaged, you will have problems.

That being said, I'm willing to bet that your transmission went bad from abuse. Assuming that you didn't cause it, the previous owner probably did that. If not abuse, then go buy a lottery ticket because it's pretty unusual to have a transmission just go bad, but it can happen.

FYI, it did happen to me (2002 Nissan SE-R Spec-V 3rd gear went bad), so I can empathise with you... dealerships are extremely reluctant to fix transmission problems.

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Old 01-18-2005, 09:26 AM   #53
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Well with that being said. . . .it makes me feel better knowing that my Subie might be ok after this repair.

above 10 mph is insane to shift into first.

I had many people tell me these cars are strong. . . .stronger than alot of us think.
I hope I can run around 3 years from now saying the same thing.
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Old 01-20-2005, 11:20 AM   #54
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above 10 mph is insane to shift into first.


so you're telling me that pulling from ~1k rpms in 2nd is better than winding out the remaining 25+mph in 1st?

fwiw, i have become friendly with the double clutch, and it is good.. as is pennzoil synchromesh MT fluid.
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Old 01-20-2005, 12:36 PM   #55
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he said that is the way Subaru made these. BULL CRAP!
Can't agree more. I have 12K on my 04 MT5 and 1st is giving me fits. My feeling, and I susspect others will concure, is that unless it is clearly stated in the owners manual that first gear may only be engaged from a dead stop, then they owe a new first gear/syncro.

I went to my local dealer and, tried, to set an appointment.

Me: "i'd like to set up and appointment for some first gear/tranny warrantee work"

Dealer: "what did you do to it?"

Me: "I drove it" "...how do you guys address the bad syncos w/ 1st gear on these?"

Dealer: "we have never had any problems with them before"

Claiming "Abuse" is so obtuse and unresponsive that it makes me want to sell the damn car. I'm hoping another dealer will respond more favorably to my situation, despite my Kartboy shifter bushing & knob. As a back up I'm researching gear swaps. We all may be stuck. Like my 98 OB clutch... (gone at 22K)
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Old 01-20-2005, 12:57 PM   #56
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I sold my WRX because of this. I had a long standing complaint that 1st and 4th gear would grind or not go in at all. After fixing a few other problems with the car (CEL kept coming on), they finally looked at the tranny. This was about 20,000 miles after my first logged complaint. The SOA rep's official position was that it was abuse - b/c there were signs of grinding gears. My response was that's what I brought the car in for - it grinds! They agreed to replace the synchros *one time only* as a sign of goodwill. The new synchros were hard to get into 1st so I sold the car.
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Old 01-28-2005, 02:32 PM   #57
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Just had ours at the dealer for a bad syncro. It even grinds going into 1st at a standstill. Maybe the mechanic at the dealer is dumb or something. He said there's nothing wrong. Huh?!
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:06 AM   #58
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Took the WRX to another dealer. Right away they said there was a bad syncro. I also had a CEL after the service at the other dealer and the new place pulled the ECU and sent it to the factory (or whoever). Now I have a lot more power and it is easier to get into first, plus no crunching while it is stopped going into first.
The first dealer never had a good attitude, the second one is great. They even replaced the clutch. These dealers are located in SoCal. The mechanic at the first dealer was bragging about being a rally racer. He saw our Rim of the World Rally sticker in the back window. What the hell is a "rally racer"? I worked SCCA Pro rallys and crew for a car now. Never once did I hear the term rally racer. Me thinks the mechanic there was missing a few wrenches!
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:22 AM   #59
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I had mine repaired by the EXCELLENT people at Stohlman. The replaced first and everything to do with it (synchros, bearings, blah. blah)

But my car is scary stock and I had a previous documented problem that I beleived caused it. So maybe I had tyhat going for me.
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:23 AM   #60
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Took the WRX to another dealer. Right away they said there was a bad syncro. I also had a CEL after the service at the other dealer and the new place pulled the ECU and sent it to the factory (or whoever). Now I have a lot more power and it is easier to get into first, plus no crunching while it is stopped going into first.
Wow !! Thats great news. Are you sure you brought it to a Subaru dealer and not a Saturn dealer

If I lived <1800 miles from you I'd ask for the dealers name and head over. But the gas, hotel, and time off from work costs exceed the price of me installing RA gears. Thanks for the update.

Happy motoring!
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:43 AM   #61
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I had two sychros go at 7k miles. Since that, I've swithched to Redline synthetic. Many of you seem to have had synchro problems from the factory, but has anyone had sychros wear out after swithching to synthetic? I'm curious if the solution to the problem is just that simple?
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:53 AM   #62
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The original dealer is about 60 miles away. The new one is near 80. We kinda live away from civilization. But we love it.
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:13 AM   #63
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The original dealer is about 60 miles away. The new one is near 80. We kinda live away from civilization. But we love it.
I live 1000yrds from my worthless dealer, but drive 60 miles north to another state to another dealer for work. I'm going up next week and have then check out my sycros.
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Old 03-04-2005, 02:52 PM   #64
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if it grinds stoped going into first its a bad syncro, if you have to rev match to make it go in join the club of every wrx owner. imo the wrx has 2 "special" traits that my supras and camaro didnt have that i had to get used to. A crappy 1st syncro, and a tranny that cant be wide open throttle shifted(camaro didnt like that much either).
Is it a sign of quality, NO, is it what i expect getting the perfformace i got for 22k, YES. Want a car that is this fast with awd that is "perfect" get out your 50k and get an s4. The most of us here didnt have 50k to spend so we live with some quirks.
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Old 06-13-2005, 04:25 PM   #65
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Impreza WRX First gear = cheese grater (wood chipper?)

I too, have a hard time shifting into first without grinding. It happens when rolling at speeds less than 10mph (I don't try it above that), and even from a standstill. It doesn't happen all the time from a standstill, only about 20% of the time; but when shifting into first when moving, it's about 90% of the time.

My problem with this is that I have a rather steep driveway on my house, and I need to be in first gear to ascend it. I live on a sleepy 25mph street, that I drive down in second gear, and I of course slow down to drive into my garage, at which point I have to downshift from second into first gear to make it up the slope. It's absurd to me that I should have to come to a complete stop in the middle of the road and shift into first before moving up my driveway.

The problem first reared its ugly head about two months ago. At a stoplight, with the clutch pedal completely in, I attempted to put the tranny into first gear, and was met instead with the sound (and feeling in my hand and arm) of metal on metal grinding. I shifted into second and back to first, and it was fine, but it was the first of a number of shocking experiences I've since had of the exact same nature.

So I took it to the dealer for my 30k service, and mentioned the problem. One of their service techs happened to be standing right there, and he said that it was normal. I said it most certainly was not, and they test drove the car. The report from the test drive says that they were "Unable to reproduce at this time," and that I should bring it back when it happens all the time, so they can reproduce it. What kind of bullsh|t is that?? They're basically telling me "We know your car is on an inexorable slope toward breaking, but until it actually falls apart, we don't care." In case anyone's interested, this was Findlay Subaru in Las Vegas. It's really unfortunate, because up to this point I've had a great relationship with them. And because my nest closest Subaru dealer is in Utah.

Anyway, I guess I'll have to put up with the problem until it fails or at least happens every time you try to use first.
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Old 06-13-2005, 04:39 PM   #66
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One dealer in Riverside County said there was no problem with our syncro. They basically said we didn't know how to drive. Right there we decided the dealer does not need our business anymore. Went to another dealer in San Diego and they said it was a bad syncro. It was fine, but hard shifting after they replaced the syncro. Now the ugly problem is rearing its head again. It ground going into first with the cluch in at a stop. S**t!
What's the deal with the WRX 1st gear syncro? I used to drive cars with no 1st gear syncro, so I know how to use 1st!
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FWIW....while some low friction synthetic transmission fluids may help the 1st syncro issue (RL-Shockproof/Motul 300), the only real fix are the special cryo teated "RA" type replacement gears.
And, just this weekend I saw the new micro polished set from Rallispec @ the NESIC meet. They are SWEET!!! I'm having a set installed in two months!!! Albeit a $2,500.00 fix....
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Old 06-13-2005, 06:07 PM   #68
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FWIW - my syncro for first gear was replaced under warranty at ~59K miles. While they were in there, they also replaced the syncro for 4th gear with "updated parts" I believe.

A huge "thumbs up" to Subaru of Santa Cruz. If every Subaru dealership had their level of service, SOA's sales would double in short order.
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Old 06-14-2005, 11:07 AM   #69
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FWIW....while some low friction synthetic transmission fluids may help the 1st syncro issue (RL-Shockproof/Motul 300), the only real fix are the special cryo teated "RA" type replacement gears.
How do new gears (whether cryo or not) "fix" synchros? Do you mean that the smaller step between gear ratios simply requires less synchronization? Or are there actually 'RA synchros'?
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With my 2.5 RS, I've been seemingly okay cruising around at 10-20 mph in 2nd gear. Is that bad? should I double clutch back into 1st or can I continue to cruise around in 2nd?
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With my 2.5 RS, I've been seemingly okay cruising around at 10-20 mph in 2nd gear. Is that bad? should I double clutch back into 1st or can I continue to cruise around in 2nd?
It's fine! Especially in a 2.5RS with it's shorter final drive, extra displacement and lack of turbo lag. I can cruise at 10mph in 2nd in my WRX without any sensation of lugging my engine, so your car should be breathing easy at that speed.
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Awesome, thanx a lot!!!
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FWIW - my syncro for first gear was replaced under warranty at ~59K miles. While they were in there, they also replaced the syncro for 4th gear with "updated parts" I believe.

A huge "thumbs up" to Subaru of Santa Cruz. If every Subaru dealership had their level of service, SOA's sales would double in short order.

Stanley, is your Subie modded? I have 61k on my '02 and recently I can't shift into first from a roll. It worked fine for 59k, now it doesn't. I paid for the 80k warranty before I realized I wanted more out of the car, turboback exhaust, springs, swaybars, kyb shocks, camber plates etc. Santa Cruz is a few hours away, but worth the effort to have work done there if they are mod friendly.
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no power mods...but from what I understand Santa Cruz is reasonable when it comes to modifications. Reasonable does not always mean covered, though. It sounds like the only power mod you have is an exhaust...I'd guess it would be covered, but it's only a guess.
does your first gear grind, or is it just difficult? Even with the warranty work, I always have to double clutch/rev match going into first at any speed above ~2mph. The car has been that way since day one.
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It grinds going into first if speed is over a couple mph, but until recently it would slide in at any speed. Maintenance has been meticulous, oil every 3k, tranny and rear diff every 25k, no receipts (at least for the labor) though as I'm a mechanic by trade and do all my own work. I've driven manual transmission cars and trucks for 25 years and this is the first problem I've ever had besides the occasional worn out clutch.
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