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Old 06-01-2006, 09:39 AM   #1
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Default I test drove the new GTI and the Audi A3 with DSG tranny yesterday

DSG style transmission are the future. It had me giggling. Truly awesome.

In auto mode, it feels just like an automatic.
In paddle shift mode it shifts so fast it is seamless. Faster than a manual, easy as an auto.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:40 AM   #2
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I wanna test drive too! DSG > CVT.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:44 AM   #3
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How about that ABC and those 123's? But lets just keep that on the DL, know what I mean DOG.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:47 AM   #4
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How about that ABC and those 123's? But lets just keep that on the DL, know what I mean DOG.
In case you dun know, the DSG transmission is a manual transmission controlled by a computer. It is similar to the paddle shift options on the M3s and Ferraris, but faster and smoother.

They do it by having two input shafts and two clutches. Gears 1-3-5 are on one, and 2-4-6 on the other. When you are in 2nd gear, gear 3 is already engaged and ready to go. Only takes .008 seconds to change, which is like 10 times quicker than the ferrari/bmw style systems which annoy people sometimes because the shifting isn't smooth.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:58 AM   #5
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In case you dun know, the DSG transmission is a manual transmission controlled by a computer. It is similar to the paddle shift options on the M3s and Ferraris, but faster and smoother.

They do it by having two input shafts and two clutches. Gears 1-3-5 are on one, and 2-4-6 on the other. When you are in 2nd gear, gear 3 is already engaged and ready to go. Only takes .008 seconds to change, which is like 10 times quicker than the ferrari/bmw style systems which annoy people sometimes because the shifting isn't smooth.


Uhhhhh...... thanks ...... I guess


just kidding.... Like I didn't know that already....psh!
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Old 06-01-2006, 10:09 AM   #6
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i HAVE to drive one. I'm pretty hooked on the new GTi besides the whole FWD thing, but honestly it doesnt bother me all that much.
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Old 06-01-2006, 10:23 AM   #7
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i HAVE to drive one. I'm pretty hooked on the new GTi besides the whole FWD thing, but honestly it doesnt bother me all that much.
I forgot which mag it was, but I read a very positive review of the GTi w/the DSG tranny.

VW = the cars I would drive if I was much more confident in my diagnostic skills.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:52 AM   #8
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New Civic SI has been tested to be much better than the new GTI...

and costs a wee bit less...

but props on a nifty tranny...

what do those bad boys weigh? <---transmission that is... bet it isn't light...
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:17 PM   #9
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Here is a cool video:

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/vw/japa...dsg-168883.php

The SI/GTI comparison I saw had them pretty close. The GTI puts 197hp to the wheels in stock form, so its making more than 200 crank like advertised. And its a chip away from an extra 30 or so.

MPG is similar between the two. The SI is lighter by a bit, but the GTI has a much nicer interio imo.

The DSG trannys are larger and heavier, dunno how much.



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New Civic SI has been tested to be much better than the new GTI...

and costs a wee bit less...

but props on a nifty tranny...

what do those bad boys weigh? <---transmission that is... bet it isn't light...
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Old 06-01-2006, 01:27 PM   #10
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I'm not sure about the weight, but I can tell you the DSG is sweet. I'm loving mine every time I drive it!!
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Old 06-01-2006, 02:07 PM   #11
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The new Ferrari 599 looks like it's gonna have a dual clutch gearbox as well. Dunno how it compares to VW's system.
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Old 06-01-2006, 02:30 PM   #12
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isn't this the system that they are using on the le mans prototype porsche that broke (both of them) at the GPoH?
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Old 06-01-2006, 02:43 PM   #13
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isn't this the system that they are using on the le mans prototype porsche that broke (both of them) at the GPoH?
Don't know.
It is the same system they use in the 1000hp veyron
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Old 06-01-2006, 03:09 PM   #14
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Don't know.
It is the same system they use in the 1000hp veyron
that is the one that is faster than the saturn V rocket right?
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Old 06-01-2006, 03:36 PM   #15
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Interesting how the VW DSG is so good and the BMW one is such KRAP!

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Old 06-01-2006, 04:34 PM   #16
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Kevin has one in his A3... no not that Kevin, the other Kevin.

...anyway, I concurr with the glowing reports... that tranny shifts like magic... the throttle blip on d/s is sweet.

I wouldn't want to replace a clutch in it, but maybe it'll last longer since each disc does less work??
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Old 06-01-2006, 04:39 PM   #17
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New Civic SI has been tested to be much better than the new GTI...

and costs a wee bit less...

but props on a nifty tranny...

what do those bad boys weigh? <---transmission that is... bet it isn't light...
Better at what? Going fast?

Yup, and thats about it. The GTi is way mroe refinded, has a much better interior, has a much better ride quality, and it just an all around better feeling automobile to drive. I don't think that the Civis is better than the GTi at all, just different.
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Old 06-01-2006, 04:48 PM   #18
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The Si will spend less time in the shop at the very least Has VW fixed their quality issues yet? I think the Honda has the GTI beat on looks as well. The new Civic coupe is definately a head turner for such a cheap car. The GTI is more like a bull dog... Damn ugly but there's still something about it.

But as far as engine and tranny go, GTI all the way.
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Old 06-01-2006, 04:55 PM   #19
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The Si will spend less time in the shop at the very least Has VW fixed their quality issues yet? I think the Honda has the GTI beat on looks as well. The new Civic coupe is definately a head turner for such a cheap car. The GTI is more like a bull dog... Damn ugly but there's still something about it.

But as far as engine and tranny go, GTI all the way.
Ive not heard of any issues with teh MK5's as of yet. The si is a more aggressive looking car, but you are comparing a hatch to a coupe. While similar they serve two difference purposes. SOmething about the MK5 interior makes me feel ike the car is worth more than what i would have paid for it



I find the cluster in the SI takes a little too much effort to read accuratly, but its still cool looking.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:11 PM   #20
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In case you dun know, the DSG transmission is a manual transmission controlled by a computer. It is similar to the paddle shift options on the M3s and Ferraris, but faster and smoother.

They do it by having two input shafts and two clutches. Gears 1-3-5 are on one, and 2-4-6 on the other. When you are in 2nd gear, gear 3 is already engaged and ready to go. Only takes .008 seconds to change, which is like 10 times quicker than the ferrari/bmw style systems which annoy people sometimes because the shifting isn't smooth.
My friend, you might wanna recheck your facts. Formula 1 has the fastest shifting speeds ever achieved by automated manual transmissions and they average 50 ms per shift, while VW's DSG is around twice as slow.

It is possible to make the shifting speeds higher in a dsg, but they don't do it in high volume cars, but they did do it for the Bugatti Veyron.

About Cars says 8 millisendonds to shift DSG, I say BS. Check with Audi or VW (I mean their engineering department, not their sales department)
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:23 PM   #21
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My friend, you might wanna recheck your facts. Formula 1 has the fastest shifting speeds ever achieved by automated manual transmissions and they average 50 ms per shift.
Don't recall Mott saying anything in regards to F1...ohh yeah and you really can't get one of those for say 25k either...right?
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:32 PM   #22
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Don't recall Mott saying anything in regards to F1...ohh yeah and you really can't get one of those for say 25k either...right?

Actually, i was referring to him saying that the DSG transmission in the current audis and VWs can shift in as fast as 8 ms, which is not true.

I'm not saying F1 transmissions are better than DSG, just that people should think about those so called "facts" like 8ms to shift.

On the other hand, DSG is hands down the best and smoothest shifting transmission on current production cars, at least that's what most people say, I have not driven one yet.
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Old 06-02-2006, 12:08 AM   #23
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my VDI states that the new 599 will have delphi's MR damper system. The same setup as the DTS. now grandma has ferrari suspension...
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:01 AM   #24
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The MR dampers are a nifty piece of tech. 'Bout time American engineers come up with something cool.

Pardon my ignorance, but are they on all Corvettes now? They used to eb just on the Anniversary edition.
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:07 AM   #25
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New Civic SI has been tested to be much better than the new GTI...

and costs a wee bit less...

but props on a nifty tranny...

what do those bad boys weigh? <---transmission that is... bet it isn't light...
The GTI MK V with the DSG weighs around 44lbs more than the MT ver. As far as shift times, VW claims 40ms .

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