Wagon is using oil...stock turbo b0rked?

Jard · 06-04-2006, 08:16 PM

The wagon started using oil last week. We went through about half a quart on our drive up to PA, which is 200 miles. I had to keep feeding her to make it through the weekend.

- There is no oil leaking anywhere in the engine bay, oil pan, oil filter area, or anywhere else I can see.

- There is no smoke from the engine bay.

- There is no smell.

- There is no smoke coming from the exhaust that anyone noticed over the weekend.

I took the following pics of the turbo outlet today when I pulled the TMIC:

A wipe inside the turbo outlet with a paper towel:

Have the seals gone in the turbo? What else can I check?

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styng88 · 06-04-2006, 08:50 PM

That doesn't look too terrible considering the mileage.

scoobyimprza · 06-04-2006, 10:47 PM

No, that looks about normal. You better just swap a V7 drivetrain to cover all your bases.

lotusdrift · 06-04-2006, 11:13 PM

How did you catch loss of oil over only 200 miles? do you check your oil every ten minutes!? Oh nevermind I think I misread.

very suprising to have a bad turbo seal and not see smoke out the back. Have someone folllow you and get on the gas.

nkx · 06-04-2006, 11:45 PM

how many cats are still in place? im thinking if all 3 are still there, they might be able to burn off all the oil smoke if its being leaked from the turbo.

oh, and since youre home, put some cardboard under the car overnight to check for leaks you might have missed.

subiebuck · 06-04-2006, 11:57 PM

Its how you hump your car.

Jard · 06-05-2006, 06:21 AM

Oil was full when we left MD and oil was down 1/2 quart when we were leaving PA the next morning.

The car is catless.

We had people following us all weekend at STPR and no one reported any smoke.

Jard · 06-05-2006, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subiebuck

Its how you hump your car.

geesh...I know that

Jard · 06-05-2006, 11:25 AM

So yeh, this sucks.

Grap · 06-05-2006, 11:41 AM

Is the back of the car covered in an oil film?

SirWilliam · 06-05-2006, 11:43 AM

You should grab a catch can for good measures...but that is still a lot of oil. Maybe one of the "oil gremlins" snuck under you hood when you weren't looking:

NOTE: They are indigenous to MAIC and are closely related to the "Right Sock Gremlin" who is also from this area.

Jard · 06-05-2006, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SureGrip

Is the back of the car covered in an oil film?

Nope, and the inside of the exhaust tip is just sooty, not filmy or greasy.

I'm confused.

mechman900 · 06-05-2006, 12:09 PM

PCV Valve?

Jard · 06-05-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechman900

PCV Valve?

I'm going to change that next weekend when we do the 60k service.

I didn't even know what it does...it can leak/cause me to use that much oil?

ShannonO · 06-05-2006, 12:20 PM

I think that we're not getting accurate readings on the oil level. Each time it was measured it was at a different temperature...

Jard · 06-05-2006, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShannonO

I think that we're not getting accurate readings on the oil level. Each time it was measured it was at a different temperature...

Well I've put two quarts in it since Thursday...even if it's full right now...where did the two quarts go?

rogue · 06-05-2006, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jard

Well I've put two quarts in it since Thursday...even if it's full right now...where did the two quarts go?

You have to fill it from the pipe under the yellow 710 cap in the engine bay, NOT from the gas-hole.

Jard · 06-05-2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogue

You have to fill it from the pipe under the yellow 710 cap in the engine bay, NOT from the gas-hole.

You're a gas-hole!

mechman900 · 06-05-2006, 03:10 PM

Hrm, to use 2 quarts via PCV would be impressive, but not impossible. Last time my car was using a lot of oil it was due to stuck piston oil rings, but I had a fine black powder all over the back of the car which was all carbon from burning up the oil. PCV is cheap and pretty easy to replace, just be sure to use a Subaru OEM one, not aftermarket. The aftermarket ones I've seen are pretty sucky and don't really do a good job.

-Tom

Grap · 06-05-2006, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jard

Well I've put two quarts in it since Thursday...even if it's full right now...where did the two quarts go?

This is going to sound stupid.....but you are letting the car sit for a good while before checking, riiiight?

teh Phil · 06-05-2006, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SureGrip

This is going to sound stupid.....but you are letting the car sit for a good while before checking, riiiight?

What are you doing out of OT?

Jard · 06-05-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechman900

Hrm, to use 2 quarts via PCV would be impressive, but not impossible. Last time my car was using a lot of oil it was due to stuck piston oil rings, but I had a fine black powder all over the back of the car which was all carbon from burning up the oil. PCV is cheap and pretty easy to replace, just be sure to use a Subaru OEM one, not aftermarket. The aftermarket ones I've seen are pretty sucky and don't really do a good job.

-Tom

That 2 quarts is in about 800 miles of driving. We were at STPR over the weekend.

I was letting it cool as much as possible...most times measurements were taken first thing in the morning with the car sitting overnight.

Grap · 06-05-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teh Phil

What are you doing out of OT?

I'm sorry....there was this opening in the curtain....and so I looked through and.....well, here I am.

06-04-2006, 08:16 PM	#1
Jard In the silly seat Moderator Member#: 34935 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: SPB- 2013 Smugmobile	Wagon is using oil...stock turbo b0rked? The wagon started using oil last week. We went through about half a quart on our drive up to PA, which is 200 miles. I had to keep feeding her to make it through the weekend. - There is no oil leaking anywhere in the engine bay, oil pan, oil filter area, or anywhere else I can see. - There is no smoke from the engine bay. - There is no smell. - There is no smoke coming from the exhaust that anyone noticed over the weekend. I took the following pics of the turbo outlet today when I pulled the TMIC: A wipe inside the turbo outlet with a paper towel: Have the seals gone in the turbo? What else can I check? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

06-04-2006, 11:45 PM	#5
nkx Scooby Specialist Member#: 96951 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Carlisle, PA Vehicle: 2004 wrx sedan 1996 brighton coupe	how many cats are still in place? im thinking if all 3 are still there, they might be able to burn off all the oil smoke if its being leaked from the turbo. oh, and since youre home, put some cardboard under the car overnight to check for leaks you might have missed. Last edited by nkx; 06-04-2006 at 11:57 PM.

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06-05-2006, 06:21 AM	#7
Jard In the silly seat Moderator Member#: 34935 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: SPB- 2013 Smugmobile	Oil was full when we left MD and oil was down 1/2 quart when we were leaving PA the next morning. The car is catless. We had people following us all weekend at STPR and no one reported any smoke.

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mechman900 Scooby Newbie Member#: 27541 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Oakton, VA Vehicle: 0000 Pickup truck & Mountain Bikes	Hrm, to use 2 quarts via PCV would be impressive, but not impossible. Last time my car was using a lot of oil it was due to stuck piston oil rings, but I had a fine black powder all over the back of the car which was all carbon from burning up the oil. PCV is cheap and pretty easy to replace, just be sure to use a Subaru OEM one, not aftermarket. The aftermarket ones I've seen are pretty sucky and don't really do a good job. -Tom