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Old 10-13-2001, 03:57 PM   #1
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Post The truth about the JC Sports website

As can be expected from a company that has long lacked a sense of integrity and personal responsibility, JC Sports once again is unfairly placing the blame on someone else instead of admitting their own incompetence. Although I realize that most of the people on this board who have been ripped off by JC Sports are not likely to buy the latest of their excuses, as the former jcsportsinc.com webmaster I wanted to set the story straight. After purchasing an exhaust from JC Sports in early January, I began discussing a redesign of their website with Joe, the owner of the company. I was willing to give him a good deal on the site by agreeing to barter for Subaru parts. Joe told me that if I gave him the e-commerce website he wanted, I would get everything that I wanted. Before the site went live at the end of January, I presented him with a list of all the products I wanted, which was under $10,000 retail value, and would cost him only a fraction of that because he is the manufacturer of a majority of the products on the list. When Joe went to purchase the domain name, all of his credit cards were rejected, so he asked me to purchase it for him, with promises that he would pay me back for it. I then purchased jcsportsinc.com and jcsportsracing.com with my own credit card.

During the first 3 months after the website went live, I received a number of the barter items from JC Sports including an air intake, front strut tower bar (prototype, unpainted), all 4 sets of clear lights, a pulley, a rear strut tower bar (which Joe later took off to ‘prototype’ and then sold), rear differential mount, an 18 mm rear sway bar, and an STI “I” badge. I also participated in a 3-car trade with my struts and springs, where I got the used ones from Joe’s car, Joe got a ProDrive suspension setup, and the other car got my stock struts and springs so the guy could trade it in for a new WRX. Over the course of 8 months (Jan-Aug), I developed the 200+ page e-commerce site for JC Sports, maintained the site, and constantly adding new products. I also spent many days coming into the shop to gather requirements as well as answering phones/customer service and helping with shipping. I even displayed my dedication to JC Sports by loaning Joe $500 to bail him out of trouble when a guy from Canada was coming down to trade his turbo kit for his money back (buyer’s remorse), and Joe did not have the money to pay him. Joe only repaid me after a month with 2 checks that bounced, and then one that finally went through. The entire time that I was helping JC Sports out, I was constantly asking Joe when I would receive my IHI Turbo and 4 Pot Brake set to make the barter complete. Joe understood that these items were the remaining part of the barter, and would always tell me that he was working on it. I warned him that I could no longer make changes to the site until the terms of our barter were met, yet Joe would constantly call me demanding website changes right away.

By August, I was fed up with JC Sports’ empty promises. After seeing how many checks JC Sports bounced every month, how the company’s employees were not getting paid, and how many customers had been ripped off, I decided it was time to cut my losses and turn off the website. I felt that considering how much money JC Sports had made off the website, and how I had been paid with less than $2,000 worth of good for my months of dedication to them, they had gotten the better of me, and all I could do now was take back the product that they had not paid me for, the website and the domain name. I never demanded $12,000 dollars or made any threats of posting a derogatory website. JC Sports was aware of the consequences of not fulfilling my barter.

After the website was taken down, Joe could have either gotten me my turbo or called me up to negotiate a more manageable bargain (which he could have done in the first place instead of telling me for 8 months that I’d get my turbo in 2 weeks or so). Instead, Joe called the police, telling them that all the parts I had on my car were stolen and that I was threatening to destroy his business unless I received $10,000 by the end of the day (all lies). He was trying to get me arrested and the car repossessed, but of course the police simply laughed after they heard my story and found out that I own the domain name. Now he is threatening to sue me for shutting down his business. Considering the serious financial debt that JC Sports was in at the time, and all the bridges they had burned with vendors and customers, it seems ridiculous to blame all their problems on the removal of a website that they never paid for. In my opinion, JC Sports needs to stop worrying about suing me, and worry more about fulfilling the many obligations they still have to their customers. JC Sports has never taken responsibility for it’s own poor business decisions, and probably never will.
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Old 10-13-2001, 06:20 PM   #2
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They have absolutely no case against you. If anyone was to sue and win, it would be you. As far as I can tell is that anyone involved with JC Sports is getting screwed.
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Old 10-13-2001, 11:31 PM   #3
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oh man. i haven't had a problem with getting their stuff in the past. but how they tried to get you arrested is just worng. you didn't do anything worng. i wonder whats larry's response to this.
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Old 10-14-2001, 05:42 AM   #4
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Joe and I are finished.

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Old 10-16-2001, 12:59 AM   #5
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OH damn! Now that is a new perspective. I feel for ya WRX Daddy. There are some that are born to be business men and then there are those who are not. If you are not then pull out and don't take the customers with you.

They don't have a leg to stand on. You will be ok.

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Old 10-16-2001, 03:29 AM   #6
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Very sad.

Watch out people, please. JC Sports will soon reappear as "new" business and keep doing what they are doing. Do not place orders with them. You will simply loose your money.

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Old 10-16-2001, 12:05 PM   #7
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All I can say is WOW!!! Thank you for letting us know what happened!
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Old 10-17-2001, 09:06 AM   #8
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wow, Intresting to read about JCS from a differnt perspective.

they have no integrity.. I'm glad they are falling on thier face.
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Old 10-17-2001, 06:05 PM   #9
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Default jc sports = wrxperformance.com

Has any body else seen this. It seems that jcsports has not totally disappeared just changed their name to hide from the past

www.wrxperformance.com

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Old 10-17-2001, 10:42 PM   #10
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Thanks for the tip Rubasu! I think anyone of us that sees JC pop up under a new name/site, we should post it here so hopefully we can put an end to the victimization of hapless consumers.

As for what they did to WRX Daddy, I'm not surprised. Personally, if I had to be involved with JC in any kind of dealing, everything would be in clearly defined writings so that if they failed to comply in the least, their a$$es would be in court soon after. Accepting their lamo excuses only gives them an opportunity to rip you off more. But I guess everyone here knows that already, otherwise they do now.

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Old 10-18-2001, 10:16 PM   #11
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You mean I'm not getting my stainless brakelines and intake from JCS that I ordered directly on the phone with them over 16 months ago from their group buys???




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Old 10-28-2001, 10:24 PM   #12
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ugh, after reading all post regarding JC sports, its hard to believe how PATHETIC they are. They call themselves a business? Damn, they are truly pathetic. How can they screw all those people (myself included)? It is SO aggrevating.
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Old 11-01-2001, 03:39 PM   #13
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its amazing i got my stuff....i bought a apexi n1 exhaust from them and a jc sports intake for my rs.... i got both products within a week! am i the only one
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Old 11-09-2001, 09:37 AM   #14
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Hehe, check it out, from the wrxperformance.com website:

"JC Sports is currently redesigning its website to better service our customers' needs."

Suuure, you are Joe. Wouldn't have anything to do with not owning the previous website's domain names would it?

The lies just keep on coming from these guys!

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Old 11-11-2001, 02:39 PM   #15
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the only way to get JC Sports stuff is to buy it used from a third party

thanks again garrick
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Old 11-11-2001, 06:43 PM   #16
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Actually, I hope to soon be selling their older model intakes, exhausts, strut tower bars and turbo kits direct from the suppliers, welders and pipe benders that made stuff for them before.

I am told that the IHI ballbearing turbo kits will go for $3999 complete with IC/cats/RRFPR/Fuel pump/up&down-pipes, etc starting in about 4-8 weeks. I agreed to only sell if something is in stock, and they agreed to stock it. Only time will tell

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Old 11-15-2001, 07:50 PM   #17
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Is there any way to get a TCII or a similar chip, without dealing with JC Sports?

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Old 11-16-2001, 02:10 AM   #18
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I sell the Torque Chip II at www.ImprezaRS.com/shoppingcart.htm

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Old 11-20-2001, 02:27 AM   #19
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i learned long ago never to buy anything from them thanks to this board
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Old 11-21-2001, 01:11 AM   #20
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Ummm... "Them" meaning JC Sports right? For sure not me

I buy the TCII direct from the manufacturer, not from JC Sports who shut their doors.

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Old 11-27-2001, 11:03 PM   #21
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Wow! And to think that I almost got into the same situation as you with the webpage.... whooo....

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Old 11-28-2001, 01:32 PM   #22
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It's refreshing to hear an insider story for once. I've had the good fortune of never dealing with JC Sports, and I think it's ridiculous that you're being sued. They have absolutely no case, and you should consider suing them to at least get some money out of being what sounds like a full-time employee! You do want to be careful about what you post here, though, but so far you've only told us the cold, hard, scary facts! This is a vendor that should get what they deserve by going bankrupt.
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Old 12-29-2001, 06:21 AM   #23
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damn....thats some ish man....and i was complainin about my bunny badge i never got from them....


well i hope JC sports rot....i went into business cuz of companies like them....and i swear never to be like them.....


well good luck on da case....i hope u got some kind of evidence to fight back...u prolly got the entire i club on ur back if ya need help.....maybe some kinda of petition or somethin u can get goin....



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Old 01-01-2002, 09:30 PM   #24
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yea i ordered an intake for my legacy and lowering springs as well, they sent me the wrong springs first after not getting them for like 2months then i called them to set up return, sent them in the mail then the web site went down and they stopped answering the phones i never received the intake, after another month i received an email saying that the webmaster demanded money or said he would put up a nasty site, god i am pissed at them, now im out 500 dollars.
I'm sorry i actually believed that story about you demanding money WRX Daddy, now im glad i know that they are the crooks.
Does anyone know how they got that article in Sport Compact Car? That seems like a legitimate mag but apparently they dont pay attention to the financial dealings of their feature vendors.

Also they were the only shop to have a turbo kit specifically for the Legacy(supposedly), does anyone know if that same kit is available else where?
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Hell I could put an ad in SCC telling all the world that Subarus sucked if I had enough money. Ads in a magazine mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G..... all it means is that they had the $$$ to run the ad. Of course my dealings with Land Speed Racing (ad is always at the back of SCC) with my Honda have been EXCELLENT so not ALL of the vendors in there are bad.
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