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Old 10-13-2001, 03:17 PM   #1
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Thumbs up So Today I called Compass Motorsports........

And I talked to Mike (very nice guy). I told him I was looking on the website and I noticed it said the Intake would be ready on 10/15. I asked him to confirm this and he said that the manufacturer should be sending them the units for arrival on the 15th give or take a few days. He said that they made a few changes so that the units would be a little more efficient to make (ex. the aluminum box is riveted and they sourced a new aluminum piece i think) He said that for $275 you will get everything you need--filter, air box, cold air box, aluminum tube and other hardware. I talked with him for about 10 minutes about the project, and he said they are really excited they are finally this close. Mike told me that the units will be ready to ship TO US by the end of the month. Yippeee, my baby gets to breathe soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-13-2001, 06:50 PM   #2
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Damn, I thought this thread would fill up fast. Lets try again.

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Old 10-13-2001, 07:00 PM   #3
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any pics..?
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Old 10-13-2001, 07:02 PM   #4
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Ill believe it when i see it
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Old 10-13-2001, 08:34 PM   #5
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No pics of the new one just yet. Go to www.compassmotorsports.com and go to the projects section to see the old one that is similar to the new one...er, yeah. Yeah, I didnt believe it, but Mike was very sincere and I think he is being truthful, as I could sense his excitement in telling me.

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Old 10-14-2001, 12:12 PM   #6
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Old 10-14-2001, 03:11 PM   #7
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Wow, I cant wait... Anyone want a used JC Sports intake
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Old 10-14-2001, 03:47 PM   #8
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What kind of gains would one see if they have:

catback exhaust, udp, and a ganzflow intake...how would your intake differ from a cobb tuning intake vs the ganzflow....do you have any #'s?

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Old 10-14-2001, 04:36 PM   #9
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Where does the airfilter go? Is it a conical filter? Is it cold air intake with a filter setup similiar to that of the Cobb's? Not to start anything but just out of curiosity? Which would you rather have? 1. GanzFlow 2. Cobb tuning 3. JC Sports 4. Compass motorsports
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Old 10-14-2001, 04:44 PM   #10
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wow. nice intake. i currently have a jc sports intake. if i decide to stay N/A this is the intake i'm going to be buying.
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Old 10-14-2001, 10:29 PM   #11
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Straight from the Compass Webpage..........


We managed to get the car to the Dynomometer this weekend. That was really a neat experience. The intake performed flawlessly, in front of a large group of on lookers we ran a baseline run and then the a run with the new intake. WOW... The baseline run was completed using the stock air filter box minus the tubing that runs from the fender to the box. Instead we had an elbow attached to the inlet of the filter box. The only other modifications to the car are a MagnaFlow muffler and Denso Iridium spark plugs. Then for the second run we disconnected that filter box and connected our intake system.
Less than five minutes later we had pulled the second run and were so very happy with the results. Our design really works, and works well. The baseline run showed a peak Horsepower of 170.8HP @ 5500rpm and a peak Torque of 183.4ft/lbs @ 3750rpm. The second run showed a very nice improvement in both horsepower and torque, with peak horsepower up to 185.4HP @ 5500rpm and peak torque up to 196.3ft/lbs @ 3750rpm. Total gains were tallied at 14.6HP and 12.9ft/lbs of torque. One other thing that is not mentioned but very evident is a spike in torque around 2700 to 2800rpm. This can be seen on the charts.
Nearly 15ft/lbs or more of torque was gained in this rpm range. Building the production units will begin as soon as we can get the raw materials to do so. We are very excited about the gains that we have made with this design and look forward to getting them out to the public.................


Pretty soon folks. I'm damn excited to spend 275 bones!!!!
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Old 10-14-2001, 10:34 PM   #12
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Wow, that is truly impressive. Since i'm totally broke right now, saving up money for a spoiler that ^jynx^ is holding for me, I will say something like this and lie so as to sound not broke; "I am going to wait until some people buy it first to see if it creates any problems at all with their cars and if it is really better than the cobb tuning intake."
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Old 10-14-2001, 11:20 PM   #13
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Quote:
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Straight from the Compass Webpage..........


We managed to get the car to the Dynomometer this weekend. That was really a neat experience. The intake performed flawlessly, in front of a large group of on lookers we ran a baseline run and then the a run with the new intake. WOW... The baseline run was completed using the stock air filter box minus the tubing that runs from the fender to the box. Instead we had an elbow attached to the inlet of the filter box. The only other modifications to the car are a MagnaFlow muffler and Denso Iridium spark plugs. Then for the second run we disconnected that filter box and connected our intake system.
Less than five minutes later we had pulled the second run and were so very happy with the results. Our design really works, and works well. The baseline run showed a peak Horsepower of 170.8HP @ 5500rpm and a peak Torque of 183.4ft/lbs @ 3750rpm. The second run showed a very nice improvement in both horsepower and torque, with peak horsepower up to 185.4HP @ 5500rpm and peak torque up to 196.3ft/lbs @ 3750rpm. Total gains were tallied at 14.6HP and 12.9ft/lbs of torque. One other thing that is not mentioned but very evident is a spike in torque around 2700 to 2800rpm. This can be seen on the charts.
Nearly 15ft/lbs or more of torque was gained in this rpm range. Building the production units will begin as soon as we can get the raw materials to do so. We are very excited about the gains that we have made with this design and look forward to getting them out to the public.................


Pretty soon folks. I'm damn excited to spend 275 bones!!!!
but, That has been up there for 4+ months now. I am still waiting for someone to get their hands on one and since i have a MY99 i think it will be awhile i am however number 3 on the list to get one
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Old 10-15-2001, 12:07 AM   #14
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Wow! That looks really nice. The horsepower gains are significant too! Now will this be available to the public or is it a limited time production?

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Old 10-15-2001, 12:08 AM   #15
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Sounds like an interesting product. It also dresses up the engine bay a lot. They didn't have the cold air box attached either it would appear. That might help slightly.

An alternative is the Ganzflow. I know its not a full replacement like the Compass one but for the price its quite a good deal. The Road Dyno (of course not as accurate as a real dyno) showed a 9 HP gain.

My personal experiences with the Ganzflow is as such:

Stock - 100 kph in 4th gear @ 4,100 RPM
Modded - 100 kph in 4th year @ 3,800 RPM

Not bad for just an intake. I have an exhaust on there now too but its nothing compared to the benefit of the intake. I think the exhaust might of allowed me to rev a little higher but its of no major performance benefit that I have seen.

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Old 10-15-2001, 08:25 AM   #16
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My personal experiences with the Ganzflow is as such:

Stock - 100 kph in 4th gear @ 4,100 RPM
Modded - 100 kph in 4th year @ 3,800 RPM
I could have sworn that speed in any gear is a function of gear ratio and has absolutly nothing to do w/ performance...
Now, how fast you can get to that speed should be...
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Old 10-15-2001, 09:46 AM   #17
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You can argue with my numbers but I've tested this out numerous times in various conditions and the results speak for themself.

The intake allows the engine to breathe more, thereby allowing it to run more efficiently. By freeing up HP, you can get more to the wheels thus requiring less to do more.

Sorry, no long winded explanation but the numbers don't lie.

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Old 10-15-2001, 09:58 AM   #18
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Keenan,

That's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard! An increase in power DOES NOT yield and increase in speed at a particular engine speed in a particular gear!!

Example - Take a 130lb weakling vs. Lance Armstrong on a bike. If they are on identical bikes in the same gear producing the same RPM's with their legs, THEY ARE GOING THE SAME SPEED! Even though Lance is much stronger than the 130lb weakling, he's NOT going any faster in the same gear at the same RPMS.

Do you also think that an intake gives you 20hp at the wheels and the STi stickers add another 15?

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Old 10-15-2001, 10:13 AM   #19
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Ok, I think most of us know who's right here, but lets get back on topic....If I dont get word by the end of this week, I will be calling them again next Saturday.

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Old 10-15-2001, 10:37 AM   #20
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well anyone who gets the compass intake let us know how it is... certainly looks/sounds promising. Maybe they'll even accomodate for us with the 98 models...
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Old 10-15-2001, 12:07 PM   #21
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What kind of dyno did they use for the measurements???? They are getting more power stock than Subaru claims. The dyno charts do not look right at all. Are these "corrected" numbers or uncorrected? What gear did they do the pulls in?

It might work, but personally I think the numbers are BS.


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Old 10-15-2001, 03:11 PM   #22
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any hope of a decent intake for those of us with old-skool MAF cars?? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease? i heard that compass would try to produce an MAF intake, but that was at the beginning of the project...any word on this?
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Old 10-15-2001, 03:14 PM   #23
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racecarriot-

I'm not suer if compass will be producing anything for the MAF, their website claims there will be a cold air kit for 99 and below so keep your fingers crossed. If you want to make your own custom CAI, check this thread out...
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=100747
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Old 10-15-2001, 03:21 PM   #24
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Flame me all you want. I had my car for six months before I installed my intake. I drove numerous times in various weather conditions in different cities. I installed my intake and have had it on for almost six months. I have also driven it numerous times in various weather conditions in different cities. At 100 kph the RPM's have dropped by 300 after installing my intake and AMSOIL panel filter.

I understand where you are coming from and I understand the physics behind gear 1 x gear 2 = gear ratio.

My only thought is that there is a loss of power inherent in the system. By replacing the intake you help remove a limiting factor. The engine runs at a lower efficiency with the stock intake than with an aftermarket intake. As the stock engine runs, there is an inherent power loss in the transfer from the crank to the tranny. If the intake allows for better breathing and the engine runs more smoothly and more powerfully, with each revolution, more power is transferred to the crank and subsequently the tranny. Thereby, you require less RPMs to power the car at the same speed.

Using the cycling example, Lance Armstrong has a cadence of 100 RPM in a certain gear. I have a cadence of 100 RPM in that same gear. From a physics standpoint, we both have the same gear ratios but he has puts out more power. So, he is working at, say 50% of his max power while I am working at 90% of my max power and we are going the same speed in the same gear. What happens if he puts 90% of his power into the same gears but he slows down to 80 RPM? Does he not go faster than I at my 90% even though I am in the same gear as him? Lance putting more power to the pedals at a slower RPM is my comparison.

I am not an engineer and make no claim that I am. As I said before, flame me if you wish but my car runs exactly as I described in the first paragraph.

I think you simplify the situation too much. I believe its more complex than two gears interacting.

And yes: STi stickers do add 15 HP to the wheels. :monkey:

Keenan

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I think we should take this to another forum and reserve this thread for news and updates about the Compass Motorsports intake.

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