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Old 01-22-2001, 03:08 PM   #1
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Post Legacy VS RS....

sorry guys... i gotta vent... rant... get this OUT!!!

cuz i miss my Legacy...

been in this RS for a week now... and i can tell you it just DOES NOT COMPARE to the GT... the GT was sooo much more car than this thing... my goodness...

the little things...
those are what i miss most...

the little interim dial on the windshield wiper... RS doesnt have that...
the carpet in the RS is awful!!!
the interior is much cheaper than the GT...
really gonna be a pain to keep clean
no gas hatch release....
no lighted visors...
no lighted glove box..
no lighted trunk...
no pull down rear seats...
no pull down center piece in the rear...
no height adjustable drivers seat...
no lumbar support on drivers seat and my back is killing me...
the list goes on... but...

sigh...
will i ever love this car?
are these RS folks fooling themselves?
this is 1/10th of the car the GT was...
just with less weight and a bigger hood scoop...

poop... i am so bummed out guys....
please tall me that i will be again...
i gotta start modding this thing....

j.

sorry... just venting...


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Old 01-22-2001, 03:18 PM   #2
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Aww cheer up, your making me start to want a Legacy.
Put a supercharger/turbo in and I'm sure that you will be again.
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:23 PM   #3
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What happened to your legacy???
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:27 PM   #4
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Hehe, I guess you've been spoiled, Subie Gal.

You're right, though. These little details make a big difference.

Are you happy with the performance, at least? May be you'll forget about all the niceties when you're flying through the course at the next rally-X.

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Old 01-22-2001, 03:49 PM   #5
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Yeah, I think you just need to adjust your expectations, SubieGal. The RS is much less liveable on a daily basis, but your Legacy would have never been the Rally car that you can make your RS into.

It's just a matter of deciding what you want. A luxury car with a bit of performance, or a performance car with a little bit of luxury.
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:49 PM   #6
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Well the RS certainly can't compare to the Legacy in terms of amenities. If those are what you really wanted, you should have bought an Audi. Personally, my next car will hopefully be a new Legacy turbo (SOA willing).
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Old 01-22-2001, 04:09 PM   #7
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Hey Jamie! Sorry to hear you are not liking the RS as much. Honestly, I knew all these things you complained about because I have compared my brother's 98 RS to my 99 GT. The material qualities and craftsmanship are TONS better in the Legacy. A coworker recently asked me if the RS was just a smaller version of my GT, and I adamently said "NO!". They are a different class car, and it shows in all the little things (like you said).

I hope it gets better for you. You should have bought my mint GT, you would have spent less money, and been happier. I love my GT, but I see this as my last chance to get a new car before the wedding/house comes along the end of this year. If anyone is looking for a mint 2.5GT with some fun toys (worth ~$2500), check out my car. I am selling it for book value (it's in perfect condition, a result of me being anal retentive about cleaning and maintenance)!

<IMG SRC="http://216.25.4.185/subaru/legacy_images/99gt_low2.jpg" border=0>

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PS Smile Jamie, you have way too much energy/spunk to let this get you down!
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Old 01-22-2001, 04:58 PM   #8
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You definitely won't be pampered in the RS as compared to the Legacy, but wait till you have your first rallyX in the RS. Boy will you ever notice the difference! Hang in there.[sound]http://www.freedrive.com/GetMain.asp?affiliate=10406&menuset=explorer&menui d=explorer&us=ACTIVE[/sound]:lil devil:
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Old 01-22-2001, 05:44 PM   #9
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Jamie - you have to remember why you got the RS: it is a rallycar. You said yourself that if you got a 2000+ GT you would not take it offroad... They are different breeds of cars, and they have different uses.

Look at it this way: there is way more that you can do to rally-prep an RS over a GT... your DMS is going to drop on no problem (and you once you get that on, and get a rally alignment, you probably won't be able to wipe the grin off your face).

Just remember you bought the RS as a racecar, if you wanted a mid-sized mid-level luxury sedan, you would have bought a GT (and never rallied again)... Different cars, different purposes...

Hang in there, it will get better... hell, look at Matt's car, he does not even HAVE an interior...

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Old 01-22-2001, 06:10 PM   #10
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I hope you will be happy with that RS, Jamie. The stuff you have all mentioned was why I didn't buy one. Sure, the RS is some 300 (or more?) pounds lighter than my wagon and all that jazz, but I'll gladly sacrifice that bit of performance for my creature comforts. What can I say, call me a wuss...

I'd never say I told you so, especially since I didn't. Hang in there, and give that little RS a chance, though. I might surprise you.

I have to disagree with the Audi comment, though. Audis are nice, but the Legacy is a much more direct car than the Audi in terms of the driving experience. IMHO, the Audi is a luxury/sports sedan, while the Legacy GT is a sports sedan that, in the 95-99 model years, was fairly bereft of pretension, aside from that woodgrain nonsense around the driver's side window buttons.

Here's the important question, J...how's the performance difference?

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Old 01-22-2001, 07:31 PM   #11
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Here's what happened to Jamie's Legacy. I think she's got pics on her website as well. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Forum1/HTML/017016.html

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Old 01-22-2001, 07:40 PM   #12
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Hi Subie Gal, Have you feel different between the Legacy clutch padel feeling to the RS?
I think both of them a different setup ???
Good luck on your new ride!
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Old 01-22-2001, 08:22 PM   #13
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Well, that's the reason I got the Legacy GT in the first place! Great car all around (that is if you're not going to convert it to a rally car).... as well, very stealthy compared to all the "rice" cars!
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Old 01-22-2001, 09:38 PM   #14
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Jamie, sorry to hear of the teething trouble with the new RS. My wife went through the same problems when we got rid of her Jag. It will take awhile before you stop comparing the two cars. One is build to compete in the WRC (its big brother anyway) and the other the "real world". It is kinda like comparing apples to oranatangs. Both are good things but each has its place.
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Old 01-23-2001, 01:26 AM   #15
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Well, the Legacy to me is more of a 3-series compeditor while the Impreza is more of a Integra/Sentra/etc. compeditor (and it is)...

Oh, I got to ride behind my moms white 2000 Legacy the other day and BOY! Does that car look sweet when its driving around! (especially those GT/Limited ground effects)

Actually, I like the Impreza just fine... I dont need all of those things that you listed Subiegal, but that is why I think im gonna like the 2002 RS even more
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Old 01-23-2001, 07:42 AM   #16
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thanks for all the replies guys...
nice to get those thoughts outta my head!

well...
performance.. hell i dont know yet...
i am not allowed over 4k rpm's until i break this beast in, remember??

clutch feel???
well my GT was an auto so I really dont have anything to compare it to. sorry... i do have to say that the SPT short shifter is quite nice... that's a plus...

got my steering wheel in... that helped... car feels a bit more like mine now... and i painted some bits on the car yellow... hehehehe... guess that should help eh?

i just wish they (SOA) could combine the 2 cars... that would be a PERFECT car... the WRX is close, but not quite... those of you thinking about getting it.. go for it... i would if i had the $$$ but this accident has really put me in a bad spot...

anyway, i'll keep you all posted.. thanks again for being patient with me as i make this transition.

take care all.

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Old 01-23-2001, 08:51 AM   #17
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Heh, Jamie, You said it!

All those added anemities are what turned my head toward the GT (that and the Bimmer look). I still love the comments " Is that a BMW?" No, better, its got AWD and didnt cost me 2 arms and a leg.

The only thing I could have done without was the damn wood trim. It was a port installed 'option' (How do you call it an 'option', when its the only way you can get the car???)

Good luck with the RS, take comfort in it being a 5-speed, and add lots more yellow.

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Old 01-23-2001, 08:58 AM   #18
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All those things you liked add weight. Unless you make everything out of aluminum and carbon that is. And the signficant performance difference between RS and GT is weight (same engine, suspension, etc.) So, you pays yer money and you takes yer chances. Real RallyWomen don't need lighted mirrors, they apply makeup by the glow of the fires from their competitors cars...
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Old 01-23-2001, 09:38 AM   #19
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I think all your problems could be changed out. I have seen Lighted visors for sale at subaruparts.com Should be able to put the seat track for a Legacy on the RS seat. Just some thoughts. jim
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Old 01-23-2001, 09:49 AM   #20
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Exactly; weight is negative horsepower.

If anyone needs more negative horsepower, they can come take the lighted visors, gas hatch release, carpet, lighted glove box and more from my 3500 pound Legacy. ( I wish I was able to find an earlier, lighter, 5 speed Legacy wagon when I was buying. )

Anyway, if you want to like the RS, here's what you do; drive it back-to-back with a Legacy. I was lucky enough to borrow an RS for an instructional run last year, and it was... instructional. All else being equal, a GT won't know which way an RS went.

Hundreds of pounds tends to have that effect.

Enjoy it, and carry a flashlight for those unlit places.
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Old 01-23-2001, 02:37 PM   #21
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Well, no one's even mentioned highway/day to day drivability. I mean, with the 103.5" wheelbase and wider track, there's just no comparison. I can have 40psi Kumhos and cranked AGXs and the ride is extremely comfortable compared to that ratty compact car feel you get from the RS. Yes, there's a penalty for all that, but you have to think about how much time you spend driving from A to B vs. how much time you spend Rally or Auto Xing the thing. For me, the day to day livability outweighs the small perf. disadvantage of a 3,100 lb car. Oh, did I mention the nicer GT moonroofs?

sorry Jamie, this isn't helping i know...but you're preaching to the choir!
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Old 01-23-2001, 03:46 PM   #22
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My Wagon is 3300, with a turbo and all associated hardware as well as the 900 gallons of ATF in the slushbox.

Here's hoping i can swap it for a fiver.
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Old 01-23-2001, 08:57 PM   #23
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I think all your problems could be changed out. I have seen Lighted visors for sale at subaruparts.com <snippage>. jim
Are you talking about putting the lit visors from a Legacy in the Impreza? Or are there ones specifically for the Impreza. I know the Legacy visors will not fit the Impreza, I tried. I installed the lit visors in my wife's Legacy OB and was going to put the ones from her car in my Impreza they were much nicer. But alas they were too long and would not hook up to the clasp. I was bummed.

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Old 01-23-2001, 09:38 PM   #24
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Subie Gal,

Sorry to hear about your Legacy. It looked like an awesome automobile. I can sympathize, I too had a weather related incident that took the life of a car that I loved. It was my first car-I got about a month before my 17th birthday: a used 1983 Nissan Maxima. Great car, it was loaded with options, including the 3.0 Liter V6 that also powered the Z. Well, about a year or so later, after many fun filled miles, tragedy struck. I was driving my friend to see his girlfriend across the frozen Nebraska plains. I hit a patch of black ice, the wind was just right, and I slid off the road and slammed into the ditch. The car was totaled. I was pretty depressed for awhile, I loved that car.

In the years that followed, I had a few cars, a Hot-Rodded 1976 Chevy Monte Carlo (I loved it but the engine threw a rod), an 86 Toyota Camry (not reliable or fun), an 88 T-Bird (aka the Thunderturd), and my Legacy.

My 92 Legacy is by far the best car that I have ever owned. And a lot of it is the little things. The way the engine growls when pushed, the lights turn off if I am in a hurry or just plain forget and leave them on, she always starts without protest. I could go on and on. While I was on vacation recently, my parents were looking for a new car, I steered them towards Subaru. We test drove the Impreza wagon (the refined 142bhp 2.2) and the new Legacy GT. I am probably going to get flamed for saying this, but my Legacy felt much more responsive and was less noisy than the Impreza. But, they are two different cars. If I had the RS (we could not test one, Little Rock's single Subaru dealer had only the Impreza we test drove), I would expect it to be a little less refined and more edgy-that gives it character.

I would give yourself some time to get used to the RS, it hasn't even been a month since you parted with the Legacy. You'll probably grow to like it, if not love it-it is after all, a Subaru. You can probably fix most of the shortcomings by interchanging parts or by a few simple mods. Well, I hope my longwinded and complicated post was of some value.

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gumball-
I agree. I was just trying to help... ;-)
You don't see me driving one of those "ratty" things (your words, not mine...) Hell, mine's a wagon! I can fold the seats and take a nap in the back in between runs at auto-x's!
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