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Old 11-05-2000, 06:43 PM   #1
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Question P1 Springs

Will P1 springs work on a 98 Legacy GT, and what is the lowering of the spring...How many inches?

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Old 11-05-2000, 07:51 PM   #2
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Sugar - the P1's or any Impreza springs for that matter will not work on the Legacys. If you take a look at even the aftermarket springs, you'll see that the Legacy and Impreza springs are designed differently. The spring rates on the Legacys are usually higher (if I remember correctly) to accomidate the heavier weight of the vehicle.

I hope that helps!
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Old 11-05-2000, 10:12 PM   #3
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They'll fit - but there's a reason no one advertises the use of Impreza springs on a 95 and up Legacy ...

Rates are typically lower on the Legacy but the Impreza has shorter unsprung and coil bind lengths which would make a Legacy look slammed.
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Old 11-06-2000, 12:31 AM   #4
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Thanks, everyone. "Slammed" is what I already have (almost) and don't want. It's looking more and more like I'll just need to return to the stock springs with the AGXs, sacrificing ultimate handling for real-world liveability.

I just can't believe there isn't a way to get something like a 3/4 to 1" drop from our cars, short of finding a set of used Prodrive Legacy springs. Bummer. I know that cutting stock springs is fraught with all sorts of complexities, as well.

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Old 11-06-2000, 01:42 AM   #5
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There are spring sets with only a small drop, the ones with the smallest changes (under 1") will be those from Whiteline or Japan's KGM (aka kg/mm). Dale Teague is supposed to be trying out the Whiteline's on his Legacy.

I've used the Prodrive springs and believe me they can drop the rear well over 1".

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Old 11-06-2000, 08:08 AM   #6
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This makes me want a set of adjustable coil-overs even more. Adjustable ride-height and dampening is just soooo cooool.
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Old 11-06-2000, 08:37 AM   #7
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adjustables, although $$$ are THE way to go.

i got so frustrated...
finally decided that's the way to go.

any ?'s about them, let me know.

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Old 11-07-2000, 05:07 AM   #8
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Adjustable coilovers are definitely the way to go - I saved loads of money by converting my Bilsteins to adjustable height coilovers - they work brilliantly

I usually run it pretty low - 1.5 below standard, but because of all the floods we are having in the UK at the moment I am currently riding 1.5 above standard (with my bumper mounted cold air inlet disconnected as well) - It still handles pretty damn good, bit more roll than lower and I have to climb up into the car rather than down

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Old 11-07-2000, 07:53 AM   #9
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So SubieGal, you went for the full DMS?

Wow.

At the SEMA show, Simon had his impreza with the DMS. When you push down the car, the suspension didn't move, the tires did!

I'll probably go for the Tein instead of the DMS or GC, because DMS is too expensive and GC has problems when going over bumps...
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Old 11-08-2000, 08:25 AM   #10
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Hey, I know this isn't entirely related, but does anyone know if the GT springs are different than the Legacy L or Lsi springs? When I talked to Mike Shields, he seemed to feel that the main diff. betw. the GT and other models are the dampers, not the springs. If I had a parts book (does anyone have one?), it'd be easy to check I guess. Just curious. the GT has a "sport tuned" suspension, but that could mean anything!
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Old 11-08-2000, 08:40 AM   #11
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Actually, at our meeting with Sugar at Troncalli, she handed out parts books.

I was looking primarily at the differences between the RS and GT suspensions, so I didn't take much note.

I seem to remember that the Outback and the GT (I'm talking pre-2000 models here) used the same struts, but different springs. I'll give it another look-see tonight.

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Old 11-09-2000, 11:23 AM   #12
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Okay. I'm looking at the parts book that Sugar gave me... Unfortunately, springs are not listed here.

It appears that the L, GT, and Brighton models all use the same front struts. and the same rear shocks(!).

Here I thought our suspension was considered struts at all four corners...

At any rate, that means then that it's the springs that make the difference twixt the various models.

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Old 11-10-2000, 12:04 AM   #13
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Your information confirms what I thought, which was that the struts were the weak link in the Legacy GT equation. Those stock springs are starting to look better and better....

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Old 11-10-2000, 02:18 PM   #14
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The book lists the same dampers for each of the models with no distinction for sedan or wagon.

I expect that the springs on the wagon would be stiffer, although I'd expect not by much.
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Old 11-11-2000, 12:24 AM   #15
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Hey Eric, that's great info. Thanks for looking it up. I was also wondering if wagons and sedans have different rear spring/damping rates to account for the weight difference. Not sure if the aftermarket setups differ. For ex., the VW Passat B5 1.8T & B5 V6 are about 150-200 lbs diff. in weight and Eibach makes diff. front springs for the 2.
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Old 11-11-2000, 05:53 AM   #16
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I was just thinking that could be another "no ride height change" option for 95-99 sedan owners looking for slightly higher rates, at least in back. A used set of GT Wagon springs...

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Old 11-11-2000, 07:38 AM   #17
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DLC - yeah i went to full DMS suspension.
I cannot say enough good things about it.

Springs
Pat Richard (rally racer Pat Richard) told me to use OBS springs when i was in my dilemma with ride height and spring rate. He said that he ran on them for the first year he raced and they provided the ride height that was needed without compromising spring rate too much. Just something else to consider.

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