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Old 10-25-2000, 03:13 PM   #1
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Wink Rear Sway Bars 2000 model!

iSR Performance has 2000 Legacy rear sway
bars. 20mm. $159.00 includes bushings.
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Old 10-25-2000, 03:32 PM   #2
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SHOULDN'T this be in the vendor classifieds???
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Old 10-25-2000, 03:37 PM   #3
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If it were an impreza bar, i'd mind, but a lot of Legacy peeps don't want to wade through the classifieds for these goodies.
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Old 10-25-2000, 03:57 PM   #4
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I've ordered the Whiteline adjustable bar through RalliSpec. I'll be picking it up next week (when I get the car back from the dealer.) and I'll post how well it fits. As a side note, Andy quoted me less than 150$ for it.

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Old 10-25-2000, 04:12 PM   #5
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You were quoted less $150 for the adjustable bar? That's a seriously low price. I bought mine from mofugas.com for $175.

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Old 10-26-2000, 07:43 AM   #6
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So, am I hearing that 20mm (or maybe the 20-24mm adjustable) would be good for a 2000 wagon?

I'm trying to decide which size to get, and the 20mm sounds like it might fit my driving style!

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Old 10-26-2000, 07:50 AM   #7
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Is the rear sway for the 2000 wagon different from older models (or from the sedan?)
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Old 10-26-2000, 08:41 AM   #8
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the 00 Wagon is very much different from the Sedan... thus the "special" bar...

Andy aka Randy F - he's the guy to talk to about this.. he'll be able to answer any ?'s for ya...

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Old 10-26-2000, 08:47 AM   #9
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The adjustable bar is a great mod for the wagon. Even at the most compliant setting, it absolutely transforms the handling of the wagon...highly recommended.

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Old 10-26-2000, 09:01 AM   #10
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All of the 2000 models use the same bar... The difference is just between the -1999's and the 2000's...

Combination of the 20mm rear bar and the Cusco front strut brace made the car handle like a go-kart...

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Old 10-27-2000, 05:47 AM   #11
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So, for a 2000 wagon, I should look for a 20mm adjustable bar (20-24mm?). Sounds like the vendor at the top may be a good starting place.

I'm planning on buying the wagon today, and would love to make it handle like a go cart
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Old 10-27-2000, 07:19 AM   #12
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If I were buying a wagon today, I wouldn't run out and buy a new sway bar, or brace.

This is unconventional wisdom, but I don't think either are necessary. All I have done to my 2000 GT wagon is replace the stock no-seasons with Yokohama Nexus tires.

It now oversteers enough that I have spun it twice ( both while autocrossing, a good place to do that ).

I guess I really don't understand why everyone seems intent on changing a suspension that seems to work fine. I feel the same way about the RS. Perhaps I'll buy a sway bar and test it, but I don't see how I'll enjoy having less rear traction, not mention how I'd go faster.

At any rate, my point is you may want to get a feel for the car first, and make up your own mind, before ordering parts. If anything, ordering tires today would be a good idea.
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Old 11-01-2000, 01:20 PM   #13
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Not to brag...but thru GB i picked up my Whiteline bar for legacy for $115

Also, it is a slight pain to install w/o ramps. You might want to unbolt the muffler as well to fit the bar. I was lazy and "squirmed" the bar around the muffler. Also it help to have an extra set of hands to hold the bar while you bolt it in. The only prob I faced was the eurothane bushings. I needed to take a wrench and just squeeze the bushings and the mount to bolt it in. No biggie.

BTW, car responds great! & it's only on 18mm setting right now! :O

Take care!
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Old 11-02-2000, 12:49 AM   #14
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Originally posted by WRXGirl:

iSR Performance has 2000 Legacy rear sway
bars. 20mm. $159.00 includes bushings. http://www.autocaresubaru.com


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Yeah, but they don't have any in stock. I can't find anyone who does, although lots of people are expecting a shipment "soon". I guess I will have to learn patience...
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Old 11-08-2000, 10:56 AM   #15
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Old 11-08-2000, 11:09 AM   #16
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GB = Group Buy.

A larger rear sway will let you get more oversteer at speed and make the car understeer less under certain conditions.
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Old 11-08-2000, 01:10 PM   #17
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It IS the diameter of the bar.

Whiteline makes an adjustable bar that changes the properties and offset so it acts like a larger bar.
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Old 11-08-2000, 03:06 PM   #18
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Hillman, I wonder if the stiffer body of the 2K GT wagons doesn't change the way the chassis responds to handling dynamics. I couldn't even get my '98 GT wagon to oversteer in the RAIN by doing anything short of a) an exceedingly violent steering input, contrary to my customary smooth style, or of course, a stout yank on the handbrake. I have a 19mm swaybar, AGXs, and Eibachs with Pirelli P7000s.

I thought it handled quite well before mind you, but now it's just brilliant, though I'm still exploring a way to eke out that bit of ride height.

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Old 11-09-2000, 12:10 AM   #19
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My ignorance is showing, but I'm beginning to get the idea that the 18, 19, 20, etc., mm doesn't refer to the diameter of the bar, but rather to an offset or position change from the standard location?
Clearly one can't buy an adjustable bar and change its diameter, right?
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Old 11-09-2000, 05:23 PM   #20
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Hillman, I wonder if the stiffer body of the 2K GT wagons doesn't change the way the chassis responds to handling dynamics. I couldn't even get my '98 GT wagon to oversteer in the RAIN by doing anything short of a) an exceedingly violent steering input, contrary to my customary smooth style, or of course, a stout yank on the handbrake.
Well, the rear suspension is a lot different. Maybe that is the difference. I can get my 2000 wagon to oversteer a little with trailing throttle in some circumstances, or even more with a little braking thrown in. I have a 13mm rear bar, and will have a 20mm soon!

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Old 11-09-2000, 05:26 PM   #21
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My ignorance is showing, but I'm beginning to get the idea that the 18, 19, 20, etc., mm doesn't refer to the diameter of the bar, but rather to an offset or position change from the standard location?
Clearly one can't buy an adjustable bar and change its diameter, right?
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The whiteline bar for the 2000 is a 20mm bar. It can be adjusted to be softer or harder by lengthening or increasing the lever arm that causes the bar to twist. This will make it handle like a bigger or smaller bar. I kinda doubt it makes a 2mm difference, but hey - it sounds good!
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Old 11-09-2000, 05:31 PM   #22
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Not to brag...but thru GB i picked up my Whiteline bar for legacy for $115
For a 2000? I find it relatively easy to get cheaper stuff for the 1999 and earlier, buy the 2000 stuff is just now hitting the market, and often difficult to find.

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Old 11-10-2000, 08:34 AM   #23
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I confess to knowing nothing about how necessary a larger sway bar might be on the pre-2000 Legacies. Many folks seem to find them essential.

That said, Mx5racer was asking about the 2000 wagon he plans to buy, so I'll stand by my comments.

FWIW, I wouldn't be inclined to think that the new-for-2000 rear suspension is entirely responsible for the difference. If the new Legacy tends more toward oversteer, it either has less rear traction, or more front traction ( relatively speaking ). I doubt Subaru just changed the rear to reduce traction.

I'll have to drive some earlier Legacies, and see what I find.
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