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Old 01-08-2001, 08:26 PM   #1
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Well, after what seems like months of looking and driving everything from mini-vans (shudder at the thought) to Foci (is that the plural of Focus???) Today we took delivery of our new MY '01 Legacy Wagon L in Saphire Blue. What a good choice if I do say so. (my wife piced out the color, only one in the Twin Cities metro area) Well I drove it home and that was enough of driving this stock car for me. What is the first mod to make? I am thinking sway bar 18-20mm. Then CAI, and snow tires. And dark tint to the back windows. This spring will for sure see an Underdrive pulley before the summer.
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Old 01-08-2001, 08:51 PM   #2
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"What is the first mod to make? I am thinking sway bar 18-20mm. Then CAI, and snow tires. And dark tint to the back windows. This spring will for sure see an Underdrive pulley before the summer."

I don't know about the sway bar (how much autocrossing do you intend to do?) but the standard intake on a new Leg' is hardly a HAI as it is. The standard design seems pretty good and apart from the long tract, already draws fresh (cold) air from the hood/bonnet grill. The Legacy does not have hood scoops, so your options are limited compared to the Impreza.

The Impreza crew rave about underdrive pulley and with sensible use seem to have few side-effects, but beware overloading the ancillaries (e.g. with a slamming stereo) if you fit one.

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Old 01-08-2001, 09:12 PM   #3
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Old 01-09-2001, 02:38 PM   #4
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The Impreza crew rave about underdrive pulley and with sensible use seem to have few side-effects, but beware overloading the ancillaries (e.g. with a slamming stereo) if you fit one.
An underdrive pulley should only affect accessory performance when you are at idle. At running RPM, the engine is spinning much faster than necessary for the alt to send out a full charge. If you are getting droop in your accessories when your engine is revved, then you need a bigger alt.
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Old 01-10-2001, 12:57 PM   #5
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the guys at Rallispec dyno'd a pulley. Result? Zero. Nada. Zip. Has an effect on throttle response and the butt dyno, but no actual gain. Something I would do later, IMHO. Sway bars front and rear will reduce body roll and tighten up handling significantly. Maybe a tower brace? Then maybe better brake pads, SS lines. Then Wheels and tires, like GT rims or something. Then you can mess with mufflers, intakes, yadda yadda. I am a believer in handling and braking first, power later.
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Old 01-10-2001, 09:22 PM   #6
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Well, I really don't know what to beleive now, lucien. Over on Cobb Tuning's web they are claiming 6+ wheel hp gain with an underdrive pulley. To be getting no gain at the wheel does not seem to fit the multitude of Impreza owners that have them on their cars and I have not heard any flames of this mod. So somtimes finding out the truth is a difficult thing. Thanks for the other info/suggestions. Does anyone have experience with the Whiteline adjustable rear sway bar that Dale is selling? I have $200 burning a hole in my pocket and would like some real-life review.
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Old 01-11-2001, 07:33 AM   #7
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I purchased my Whiteline Adjustable for my 2000GT from Rallispec. I tell you what, that is the best 150$ I've spent on the car so far. It is so much more fun to drive... there is a lot less body roll and the car responds much better. I've mine set for 18mm right now, with winter coming, i wasnt going to jump to 20mm right away. Before VIR, or between heats I'll prolly bump it up to 20mm.

Just about anyone here on the board will recommend the rear bar replacement as an early mod. Handling is increased significantly with this one mod. Then to make use of the mod, tyres are definately the next improvement.

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Old 01-11-2001, 02:51 PM   #8
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Wow, I'm glad I'm doing this in the Legacy Forum. Otherwise I would be flammed to death!
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Old 01-12-2001, 01:53 AM   #9
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Old 01-12-2001, 10:28 AM   #10
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I got the 18-22 sway bar from Dale.

Nice bar - really changes the handling of the car. The car has much sharper turn in, and now pivots around the center of gravity (what a concept)! This is the way a car should handle. I have been experimenting with disconnecting it for snow travel, racing because I can put the power down in the snow much earlier without it. In the snow, I find my tail swings out into a second lane when pulling out into traffic.


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Whiteline adjustable sway bar for 2000 legacy wagon. This bar is specific to 2000+ legacy's

Installation was pretty straight forward. I was told that the car needed to be on the ground to install the bar, but because of the bushing design on the 2000, it can be installed in the air. Tightening the nuts does not preload the end link bushings. Besides, the car needs at least one wheel off to get the old sway bar off. After a couple of years of rust, these end links are going to be impossible to remove (as I found out when trying to removing a broken set of the same design off of a Ford/Mazda; they really need an end cap to protect the hex nut. Hmm, I think I'll go get one!).

Man what a difference it makes in the handling. My stock sway bar is just over 14mm (9/16"), while the new bar is 20 mm (13/16"). This makes the bar either 173%, 316%, or 510% (!) stiffer than stock (at 18, 20, and 22mm settings) according to whiteline.

It is so nice to drive a balanced car. It is truly impressive how much bite the front tires now have now that they are not over burdened with carrying too much of the car's weight in a turn. Handling is much more crisp and steering response much more immediate. It is so nice!

The good: The car actually throttle steers now. Take your foot off of the gas, and the turn radius tightens very nicely. Its beautiful. At higher speeds (50 mph) on an on ramp, a mild steering correction is needed to keep the car on a constant radius. I could see how this could catch the unaware off guard, but the steering correction is mild and smooth. It is certainly much easier than a rear wheel drive car, and no where near as dangerous as a mid (or rear) engine car like the 1st generation Toyota MR2 (which scared the ***** out of me).

The bad: trade offs are very mild. It does not seem like the ultimate set up for a slalom, as repeated back and forth transitions can overload the rear and end up in a spin (you have to be driving pretty hard and swing back and forth several times to get the car to do this). I get the impression that I am getting some rear wheel spin on very tight 1st gear maneuvers. Not surprising with the stiff rear - I've seen RS2.5's lift the rear wheel with the sway. Ride comfort is not much changed from stock.

Test conditions: Base 2000 wagon. Sway bar set at middle position. Temperature: 36 degrees with wet roads from light snow. A good time to really play with the limits.

I'm in love. This car handles so nice, and is so much more fun to drive. Exactly what I was looking for. I'll probably bump up the stiffness an extra notch.
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Old 01-12-2001, 05:42 PM   #11
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Who you calling a computer geek pleiades? Some Impreza owners venture into these forums ya know. I would recommend a swaybar too or a short throw shifter (assuming you have a stick).
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Old 01-12-2001, 11:28 PM   #12
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well I am really confused now. According to Dave at RalliSpec the have the Whiteline swaybar in 20-22-24mm. Not the 18-22mm as some of you have recomended. He is going to call Whiteline and try and find out why they went with a stiffer set up for the 00+ Model years. Maybe the change to the multi-link rear set up calls for this. This is after all my "family" car and my wife will be driving it 51% or more of the time. I do not want to make a dangerously quick (handling) car for her to tote our little ones in.
Have any of you heard that Soob developed the Legacy wagon first, then created a sedan out of it? I thought that I had heard that somewhere...the rear suspension set-up is better suited for a the wagon's need for a flat, space saving design.
bis später,
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Old 01-17-2001, 03:24 PM   #13
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I got the whiteline bar (from Teagues) last fall as soon as they got some in (for 00+ models)

My bar measures 20mm. Presumably the adjustment holes make it harder or softer than 20mm.

Sub claims to have done a lot of work to design a true wagon, not a deriviative of a sedan. The new rear suspension allows for more cargo room (as it does not intrude into the bed), and also allows for more consistent handling whether the car is loaded or empty.

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Old 01-17-2001, 08:42 PM   #14
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JC, just kidding! I'm not a computer geek, I work at a printing co.!
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