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Old 06-14-2006, 11:06 PM   #1
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Default Timing belt, etc. service price quote...high?

Trying to get an idea of whether I am getting reamed...I was quoted $1030 for replacement of the following including parts and labor:

1)Timing belt (STI version)
2)Tensioner
3)Water Pump
4)Idler pulleys

Using subaruparts lookup, I figured the cost of all the parts (belt, tensioner, pump, 3 pulleys) to be less than $600. My understanding is that this is a 3-4 hour job maximum...am I missing something or is the shop trying to charge me $100/hour for labor?

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Old 06-14-2006, 11:32 PM   #2
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there are probably waste disposal fees, etc. in there as well. Also - they charge whatever the book tells them to charge (which is probably 5 hours) - lots of places charge in the neighborhood of 80-100/hr.
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Old 06-14-2006, 11:42 PM   #3
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Huh..well that is useful information. I would have thought $60-70 would have been more the norm. Thanks for the reply
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Old 06-15-2006, 02:32 AM   #4
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nah, actually 80-100 is the norm. do it yourself, save your $$$, and learn something.
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Old 06-15-2006, 09:36 AM   #5
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As dealers are franchased they can charge ANYTHING they think you will pay regardless of what the "book" says. I am not a mechanic and did my TB, WP, drive belts, stat change, coolant flush & refill in less than 2&1.2 hours with two short coffee/smoke breaks. This on a SOHC engine. A good Suby mechanic with all the garage tools should easly do this job on your DOHC engine in 2 hours. Yes! you are being over charged but what other options? Call other dealers or Suby speciality shops or DIY. Ed Hayes

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Old 06-15-2006, 12:11 PM   #6
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^^^ As true as that may be, DrD is correct.

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there are probably waste disposal fees, etc. in there as well. Also - they charge whatever the book tells them to charge (which is probably 5 hours) - lots of places charge in the neighborhood of 80-100/hr.
Dealers charge a "book rate", which is based on how long it takes, per the FSM I would presume, to perform the work on a given part. I'm not a mechanic either but I know those who are and that os how they explained it to me as to how it works.

I really liked this description as to how it all works:
On this particular car we were discussing (not a Subaru), the book says 6 hours to change a head gasket, so that is what the customer gets charged. Took the mechanic 45 minutes to do the job. Did this by taking shortcuts learned on the job. So, 45 minutes = 6 hours pay.

Even if he screws up and has to re-do it and take an hour next time, he's still ahead.

There are places that charge by the hour, but typically dealers charge a book rate. It's the "Law of the Dealers".

But, as others have said, DIY if you can, save money and learn something along the way.
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Old 06-15-2006, 01:56 PM   #7
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exactly. if the job takes 3 hours, and the mechanic gets it done in one, you still get charged the 3 hours labor, and the mechanic makes money off of the 3 hours that he was given to do the job. good mechanics can make decent money. its all about being efficient with their time.
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Old 06-15-2006, 03:36 PM   #8
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Just make sure they are not double-charging you on the labor (e.g. to change timing belt you have already done a lot of the disassembly needed for the water pump, so labor hours for both is less than just adding the two together).
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Old 06-15-2006, 11:31 PM   #9
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The OE replacement belt has alignment marks(white lines) on it. This helps to make it easier than most to position correctly. It"s fun besides saving money. Do it once and you'll always do it yourself.
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Old 06-16-2006, 06:43 AM   #10
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I'm only going to agree with the rest of the posts... I do all of my Maint myself and along with saving precious money, I enjoy getting out there and knowing that it is done right. If something goes wrong later on, I will know where to look, and how to fix it once I have already worked on that part of the car.

Also, I'm sure that if you asked, there is a lot of people on here who have the tools/area and would be more than willing to help you do it!!!

-Matt-
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Old 06-16-2006, 10:31 AM   #11
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Yeah I have done ALL of my other maintenance including a clutch (sucked hard), but this was the one thing I was most worried about since I have never done it on any car. I'll have to ask around and see if anyone local can help out and consider that route.

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