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Old 06-17-2006, 05:20 PM   #1
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For the past 3 years Agile Automotive, has been tuning various kinds of turboed vehicles using all different forms of engine management. For Subarus, we have been extremely pleased with Cobb's Accessport--it's affordable and an excellent tuning tool for a huge range of setups (from stage 1 all the way up to huge custom turbo setups). Best of all it allows us to optimize the cars fuel, boost and, ignition timing while still retaining the full range of safeties that Subaru designed into the stock ECU. The AcessPort unlocks the stock ECU and allows us to use it as a powerful stand-alone engine computer. For the same amount of money, there's no way to beat the flexibility and function that the Accessport Protune provides. We received the Protuner software as soon as it was released, in June 2005. In the past year we have successfully Protuned around 300 cars. Customers have traveled to us from all over the East Coast for Protuning and some have come back for 3 or 4 tune updates as they added mods throughout the year.

If you're looking to extract more power with your current mods or looking to get tuned for your latest mods, Agile can custom tune your car using the Cobb AccessPort to optimize fuel, boost, and timing. You can expect to make significant and reliable gains over the Cobb maps without having to install any extra parts. Also, if you have mods that Cobb doesn't have a map for, we can tune you a map to optimize your car's performance with them. Whether your latest mod was a new intake or a custom GT35R, Agile will tune your car to make safe, reliable power. We tune on our own in-house Dynapack chassis dyno and we top it all off with a road test and tune to make sure all your settings are perfect.

We Protune Tuesday thru Saturday. The cost of the custom tune with road test is $500 and takes about 3 hours from start to finish (more aggressive setups, i.e. GT35R or larger, will take additional tuning time and be more expensive). All Protunes come with lifetime troubleshooting for any tuning related issues, if any arise, and we keep your maps on file in case your AP is stolen or damaged. After your first Protune, update tunes are priced by the hour and can usually be finished in a single hour of dyno tuning ($250/hour).

Also, if you would like a high-octane race map to go with your street map, we are offering discounts on high-octane tuning with the purchase of a pump gas Protune through Labor Day. With the High-Octane Special you get a second map custom tuned for high-octane fuel for only $180 (does not include the price of fuel). We can supply VP fuels, or you can bring your own high-octane gas. To schedule a Protune give us a call at 410-628-9099.

Typical numbers are shown below:

WRX w/ Cobb Stage 2 and Agile Protune


Sti w/ Cobb Stage 2 and Agile Protune


Agile Stage 3 and Agile Protune


Agile GT35R Side-Mount Kit and Agile High-Octane Protune


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Old 06-18-2006, 05:14 AM   #2
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Agile FTW

that is all
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Old 06-18-2006, 11:36 AM   #3
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:50 AM   #4
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Old 06-19-2006, 10:54 AM   #5
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I have been exchanging emails with Hill for about 6 months, and am finally scheduled to get my stage2 2006 STi protuned this Friday (the 23rd). I am so anxious to see what kind of magic they can do for my car...hoping I walk out with at least 310whp/340wtq and a much fatter powerband overall...anything over that seems like icing on the cake. From all the other results I saw from these guys, that should be easily attainable. My only worry is that they are also doing some serious work on another car that same day that will also need dyno time, so I hope my car gets it's fair shake on the dyno for tuning before the other car jumps on the dyno. But I have no reason to think it won't, Hill has been super helpful since I first emailed him last December, they seem like a great bunch.

Also getting the Cobb Stage2 suspension upgrade (springs and swaybars), minus the rear strut tower brace. Friday can't come soon enough

I will post up the results of the protune.

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Old 06-23-2006, 08:32 PM   #6
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The guys up at Agile installed all my goodies (20g, FMIC, Injectors, Fuel pump, etc) and Hill tuned my car. Everything was top notch and excellent quality; I highly recommend Agile to anyone.
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Old 06-24-2006, 12:55 PM   #7
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This is Paintballguy's chart. His mods are in the post above. The car ran like a champ and was a pleasure to tune.



This chart is for Force{FED}'s car. He has a Stg 2 with K&NN intake, step colder plugs, and GM boost solenoid. Jeremy tuned this one to have a butter smooth torque curve.


-Hill
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Old 06-24-2006, 02:49 PM   #8
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Hill,

Jeremy's tune IS smooth. I am impressed with all of Agile's tunes. Hopefully I'll be going to stage two soon.

I am very happy with the customer service Agile has demostrated with my experience and would recommend anyone to go to them for services and tuning. I am sure their customers and skills speak for themselves.

Hopefully soon, you'll have another AP sale that I recommended.
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Old 06-25-2006, 02:45 AM   #9
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Jeremy did an amazing job tuning my car (above). He listened to exactly what I wanted (nice smooth, broad powerband), and that's what I got. He even kept saying he could get some more "peak" numbers if I was willing to give up the broad powerband, but it's not what I wanted.

I didn't get to talk to Hill and those other guys at all (though Hill answered all of my emails the last 6 months or so very promptly, and with great advice), but I was trying not to bother them since they were very busy with a big install on another car. I know how annoying it can be trying to get work done with someone ranting in your ear the whole time. I could have chatted Jeremy's ear off while he was tuning my car, but I did my best to not harrass him and let him work his magic.

Agile is a great place...I will definitely be using them in the future!

Kev
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:00 PM   #10
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*ignore. there they are!
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:52 PM   #11
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...He even kept saying he could get some more "peak" numbers if I was willing to give up the broad powerband, but it's not what I wanted...
Can you explain this? I'm no tuning god, but I don't see how its possible to accomplish this only by manipulating boost, timing, and fuel. Increasing boost targets in certain parts of the map won't make the power lower in other parts. Increasing timing will make more power, but it won't make the car lose power elsewhere. Adjusting fuel to make more power at certain points won't lower power anywhere else. Fuel & Timing can be adjusted to alter spool, but this won't change peak power. Is there something I'm missing?
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Old 06-28-2006, 05:59 PM   #12
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Jon,
A tuner can make the car have a peaky torque curve which will make slightly more peak numbers by lowering the boost and timing down low and up high, while raising boost and timing in the midrange. It's really a combination of adding and subtracting boost and timing from different parts of the map. Once these changes have been made the car will run less boost and timing until it hits the midrange and then briefly hit high boost and high timing, and then it falls back off. Since the car is running aggressive timing and boost for only a second or more as the engine passes through the midrange it tends not to build as much heat in the cylinders. The reduction in heat caused by lowering the boost and timing down low and up high is what lets us make the midrange more aggressive, making more power (usually at the expense of area under the curve).
-Hill
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Old 06-28-2006, 09:23 PM   #13
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set my protune date for july 12.
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:53 AM   #14
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wouldnt happen to offer an ap/tune package deal would u??
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:59 AM   #15
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wouldnt happen to offer an ap/tune package deal would u??
Not at this time but that may be coming in a few months.
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Old 06-29-2006, 09:43 AM   #16
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Jon,
A tuner can make the car have a peaky torque curve which will make slightly more peak numbers by lowering the boost and timing down low and up high, while raising boost and timing in the midrange. It's really a combination of adding and subtracting boost and timing from different parts of the map. Once these changes have been made the car will run less boost and timing until it hits the midrange and then briefly hit high boost and high timing, and then it falls back off. Since the car is running aggressive timing and boost for only a second or more as the engine passes through the midrange it tends not to build as much heat in the cylinders. The reduction in heat caused by lowering the boost and timing down low and up high is what lets us make the midrange more aggressive, making more power (usually at the expense of area under the curve).
-Hill
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Really? I've always looked at it from a "if 13psi with x fuel & x timing is safe at 6000 rpm, it will always be safe at 6000 rpm" standpoint. I've found that my EGTs don't increase much in other points of the powerband based on changes I made elsewhere. Have you seen much variation in EGT? Or are you basing this off of water temp? And what do you consider too much heat (of course realizing that "too much" for one engine may be "just right" for another)?

Thanks for letting me get OT a bit & taking the time to answer my questions. I think its good to get an idea of the tuning strategies employed by each shop, as it gives people a good idea of what to expect.
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:10 AM   #17
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How much lead time do you need for a tune? Ideally I'd like 3 maps. One for street driving, one 93 Octane track map, and one 100 Octane track map.

This is with:

Maddad Stealth Back w/Scoobysport muffler
SPT Intake
M2 (or maybe some other) TMIC.

Thanks
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:48 PM   #18
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protune went great on the 12. hill was able to make 390/378 on a 20g on 93 pump. I was wondering if you guys could e-mail me my dyno plot(I'll pm you my e-mail address)
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:39 PM   #19
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Here is Chibich's chart from his 20g tune @ 22psi.



This is a Blouch GT30 bolt on @ 24psi that shows some serious promise for those looking to keep the stock turbo location.


Jon,
We do see some variation in EGTs based on timing, fuel and boost changes. Sculpting the EGTs for a specific aim can have a huge effect. For instance many tuners will run the engine lean, with less than optimal timing as the car transitions to boost to raise the EGTs and spool the turbo quicker. The highest I would want to see and EGT in a Suby would be 1650F and I wouldn't want to see it that high for long. This would have to be measured at the right cylinder for your engine (#2 on and Ej257 and #3 on the ej205) and be located within a few inches of the exhaust port in the header.

Mav,
We have a 2 to 3 week lead time right now. Weekdays are much easier to book than weekends.
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I got a quick question for you guys since I see this thread is active here.

I've got a long-running problem with my 2002 WRX that, from reading a lot of threads on NASIOC, seems to make me a member of a relatively sizeable club.

I've been getting plenty of seemingly spurious P0457 and P030x CELs since about 40k miles up to where she is now, about 135k miles. I've never had a spot of luck with the dealer or an alternate mechanic fixing the problem. I've actually had my ECU reflashed per a subaru TSB, and when the problem came back I had my ECU sent to SOA where it was reflashed again, and I still get these codes.

I am wondering if you guys have seen WRXs that exhibit these types of symptoms, and if you have had any success making them go away during a tuning session.
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:19 PM   #21
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I got a quick question for you guys since I see this thread is active here.

I've got a long-running problem with my 2002 WRX that, from reading a lot of threads on NASIOC, seems to make me a member of a relatively sizeable club.

I've been getting plenty of seemingly spurious P0457 and P030x CELs since about 40k miles up to where she is now, about 135k miles. I've never had a spot of luck with the dealer or an alternate mechanic fixing the problem. I've actually had my ECU reflashed per a subaru TSB, and when the problem came back I had my ECU sent to SOA where it was reflashed again, and I still get these codes.

I am wondering if you guys have seen WRXs that exhibit these types of symptoms, and if you have had any success making them go away during a tuning session.
We have seen this problem before on one or two other WRX's. There a couple of things that I can suggest that may help cure the problem or they may do nothing at all if the problem is with the ecu. First you can check the grounds on the car. If that car has lots of resistance in the ground system this will surely be the route of the issue. The only other thing we have had success with is to swap the coilpacks out with new ones. The problem with most of the cars with this issue seems to be with the ECU so all the tinkering may be for nothing. If the misfire is on one cylinder all the time replace the plugs and then the coilpack from that cylinder. Otherwise I would check the ground system and leave it at that.

I hope that helps.

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Old 07-18-2006, 02:36 PM   #22
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I had my car tuned by Hill in June. I got new spark plugs (colder) and a new solenoid. Hill and company did an awesome job. If you want a pro tune, I'd suggest going there. I got 33 more hp and 44 more lbs of torque from the Stage 2 map from Cobb. Hill is the man. Thanks for everything guys.

Here are a few pics with my buddy's cell phone camera. Mine is in the shop getting repaired

Oh yeah Hill, since that day I got home and put the car in the garage, the spring broke on my garage door I haven't been able to even drive the car since the tune. Thankfully it's getting fixed next week. I can't wait to take it out for a nice drive.

Anthony



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Old 07-23-2006, 11:00 PM   #23
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Nice looking vinyl package...well done.
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:18 PM   #24
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:00 PM   #25
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everyone should go to agile
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